A suggested rule change (even if for a full season away)... Signing bonus's SHOULD be part of the salary cap

CBJackets · Guru

RE: A suggested rule change (even if for a full season away)... Signing bonus's SHOULD be part of the salary cap

Philippe27 · Guru

What it comes down to is... if we're going to have a cap system. Let's have a cap system that means something.

haha yeah why not make the cap 32 million and the floor 28 million, like that we can all be winners. lol

This is fanasy hockey where all markets are the same, the cap does not need to be as strict as in the NHL and NFL and this is a way Bryce and Eric found to loosen it a little.

-- Edited by Philippe27 at 16:29, 2006-12-09

Sabres · Guru

Aarons opinion:

Signing bonuses should not count against the cap but there must be a far lower restrictions. I would say there should be like a cap on signing bonus of like 10% of whatever the cap is. NOT 10% of each contract. So if the cap is 44M (next year) then each team has 4.4M they can use for signing bonuses.

OR

No signing bonuses at all.

OR

Signing bonuses all together count against the cap. Much like Montreal suggested, a way to aleiviete some salary from year 3 or whatever to year 1.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

CBJackets wrote:

So what you're suggesting actually makes cash completely useless. I also really am not arguing against a cap system, there can be a cap system with exceptions, I don't understand why you don't understand that.

Either you chose to ignore the lengthy part where I responded to the Commish's about how finances and cash absolutely are not useless in a cap league without signing bonsues, or you just didn't read it. Finances and cash can still play a big role, and I'm in another league right now where exactly that is happening.

And yes, the arguement of "it punishes those that do a good job..." is exactly an arguement against a cap system. The "exceptions" are such a huge technical way to allieviate the cap that it's effectiveness is severely limited.

CBJackets · Guru

I did read it you just didn't say anything to prove any kind of point on why Finances are still important in your other league

"I'm in another league right now with a cap (with no signing bonuses), where finances are playing a HUGE HUGE issue. There's many teams losing big bucks right now there because they've signed big contracts and are losing huge money because they aren't winning and haven't set ticket prices accordingly, even though they're under the cap. Just because there's a cap, doesn't mean every team should be able to be right under that cap and still make money automatically. "

So, what's the consequence of losing money if it isn't used for anything? Do teams get fired if they come in at the end of the year in the red?

Exactly, there is no consequence, except for being able to say wow there are a lot of teams losing money so I guess money is important. How is it important if it isn't used for anything.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

So let's hear what others have to say... so far, obviously we know where TB, Columbus and Florida sit, and we've also heard some comments from 3 other GMs (possibly 4, Chicago quoted the NHL CBA, but I'm not positive that means he's in favour of changing things to match it or not) who from what I read have indicated agreement that some sort of change for SBs is appropriate, although exactly what and when may differ.

I've given my viewpoint, and would be perfectly happy to share with the league just how much finances have impacted the other league I'm in that has a cap with no SBs. But as I mentioned in the more drawn out previous statements, other things related to finances all have contributed to ensuring that finances indeed play a big role.

CBJackets · Guru

I don't know if you realize it or not but what you want to do is to reward poor management.

If you manage your team well in this league, you will make money. That is easy to see. If you have a low payroll and you do well - you make money. If you have a high payroll and you suck, you lose money.

Basically what you want is a system in which the teams with the most cap room get to sign the most UFAs. Why should bad management be rewarded.

Again, I repeat, without signing bonuses cash is worthless, you've yet to provide an explanation of what else cash can be used for.

CBJackets · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

So let's hear what others have to say... so far, obviously we know where TB, Columbus and Florida sit, and we've also heard some comments from 3 other GMs (possibly 4, Chicago quoted the NHL CBA, but I'm not positive that means he's in favour of changing things to match it or not) who from what I read have indicated agreement that some sort of change for SBs is appropriate, although exactly what and when may differ.

I've given my viewpoint, and would be perfectly happy to share with the league just how much finances have impacted the other league I'm in that has a cap with no SBs. But as I mentioned in the more drawn out previous statements, other things related to finances all have contributed to ensuring that finances indeed play a big role.

Well I would like to hear how it's done. Not from the viewpoint of being a jerk, but if indeed it can be done, that cash is still important, I would like to see how it's done, because that is perhaps an alternative if the league decides to nix signing bonuses.

Philippe27 · Guru

I'm liking this debate and I too am curious as to how money is important.

P.S. I suggest that money may be used to buy virtual goats and blow them.
Another suggestion is that for every million you are allowed one visit to the site http://www.hornymanatee.com/

-- Edited by Philippe27 at 18:44, 2006-12-09

VancouverGM · Senior Member

I think we shouldnt have the SB's count towards the cap. If an organization makes enough money to blow away on a player than so be it. The problem is we just cant change it. I probably would have liked it to count against the cap but it would complicate things. Now i havent read this whole thread. I just got home from a 10 day trip where i couldnt really access the internet. So i just got in and just started to check the boards.

I think we should just leave it as is. Because in the long run with or without the cap the league will get the same result. Teams will finacially suffer if teams are going to drop a 5 mil on a player for a signing bonus.