New York Islanders TRADING FREEZE

VanIslander · Guru

New York Islanders TRADING FREEZE

CBJackets · Guru

Yeah, exactly, and people criticize me when I complain about this...

When people offer you Wade Brookbank or Ken Klee and a 4th for Karlis Skrastins (YES UFA ohhhh gone after a whole season and YES a top 5 defensive dman in the sim at the moment) it gets pretty tiring.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

a public cheap shot eh.....oh the Jackets are gonna regret that......Just like they do dealing Welch, Bourret and a 2nd for Skrastins and Foy earlier in the season

and it was both of em and a 4th

-- Edited by BryceBruins at 17:23, 2006-11-29

CBJackets · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

a public cheap shot eh.....oh the Jackets are gonna regret that......Just like they do dealing Welch, Bourret and a 2nd for Skrastins and Foy earlier in the season

lol Foy is looking a lot better than Bourret at this point, who should be in the ECHL and has been scratched for a number of games.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Oh we shall see....I'm anxious to see what you are going to get for him. As those in the BRHL can attest, potential UFA's value drops like a stone as the season goes through.

Philippe27 · Guru

calm down kids

CBJackets · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

Oh we shall see....I'm anxious to see what you are going to get for him. As those in the BRHL can attest, potential UFA's value drops like a stone as the season goes through.

Exactly, when really, it should go up. That's why once we get going CBJ will steam to the cup, because every other GM is worried about 5 years down the road. But ye, we shall see

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

CBJackets wrote:

BryceBruins wrote:

Oh we shall see....I'm anxious to see what you are going to get for him. As those in the BRHL can attest, potential UFA's value drops like a stone as the season goes through.

Exactly, when really, it should go up. That's why once we get going CBJ will steam to the cup, because every other GM is worried about 5 years down the road. But ye, we shall see

Upcoming UFAs do drop in value huge, and rightfully so. Why would someone give you more as the year goes on? It just means less and less time to get any return value out of them. Sure, contender teams are going to have interest in guys like that, but just the opposite, non contending teams are going to be (or should be) just as interested in getting rid of them to get something... instead of getting nothing if/when they go UFA at the end of the season. Hell, it's why you often see in the NHL pending UFA players going to other teams for essentially nothing. The team giving them away doesn't have to pay them, and the team taking them gets a player, but also more salary to pay.

nuckfan · Veteran Member

What really needs to be addressed here is how Skrastins got to be among the elite defensive d-men in the league. I realize that he is a decent defensive d-man, but among the top DF rates in the league I will never understand. Kudos to whoever gets to use him for the season.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

check his PK time and Blocked Shots year. There's your answer, he was one of the best defensive dmen in the league in 05-06.......Thats what DF is based upon

nuckfan · Veteran Member

Sounds like good news for Bryce Salvador, Brian Pothier and Rob Scuderi who should be elite d-men next year because they play on teams with a weak defense. Bad news if you have a d-man on a team with several good d-men like Nashville with Hamhuis, Suter, Timmonen, Zidlicky & Weber.

Just my thoughts....

CBJackets · Guru

Yeah, the DF rating is one that really needs to be changed. Case in point Derian Hatcher is leading the NHL in SH ice time. Most Flyer fans want him to be waived or bought out.

WildJamie · Senior Member

No kidding. Although blocked shots and penalty killing are a part of what makes a good defensive dman, there is a lot more to it than that. If every team in the league was equally balanced then this would make sense, but should Brian Pothier really have better D rating than Pronger because he plays on a team with crappy dmen?

Not only that, but why is such a small range of the defensive rating used? Why are there no players with D in the 80s or 90s, and if I recall not many players in the league below 60?

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Sure theres alot more than just those 2 things, but they arent really statistical based and therefore arent used. While the ranges will be adjusted (this is the first seaosn we did DF based on stats) to reflect a wider variety, the basic formula won't change...We're trying to get everything entirely stat based. While Blocked Shots and PK time dont tell the whole story, toegther they paint a more accurate picture. Your arguement for guys on crappy teams, yes thats an unfortunate side effect, but rather than have everyone subjective and based on one persons opinion, its an unfortunate side effect that is nessecary.

The point of Hatcher was brought up, hey he'll have a good DF rating, but if your skating and speed is poor along iwth your offensive ratings, you're still going to be pretty useless.. On a ratings unrealted note. Do you think they'd be screaming to waive him if it weren't for his salary? I doubt it personally.

CBJackets · Guru

You don't have to do everything statistically though. Sure it's nice but it doesn't end up being realistic. If you want good, and unbiased defense ratings I say just take 5 sets of ratings and find an average for each player.

And no one really knows how SP/SK and all of the other ratings affect defense. But you can bet that if your guy (Hatcher) is big and hits a lot that he'll be an effective defensive defenseman. The DF rating is really hard though, it's hard to tell how much effect the other ratings have, just like SC, I mean how much of an effect does PC and SP/SK have, it's hard to tell.

-- Edited by CBJackets at 16:10, 2006-12-01