Panther's GM vents about league error after loss to Calgary

CBJackets · Guru

RE: Panther's GM vents about league error after loss to Calgary

CBJackets · Guru

The fact that a GM would even accept that is borderline cheating.

This is reminiscent of when I claimed a player on waivers and tried to move him to the Panthers. After Florida had missed claiming that player on waivers, and when I tried to talk to him about dealing the player I had claimed to Florida, the Panthers GM started arguing that the waiver rule should be 48 hours and immediately put in a claim himself.

I guess you must really need the cash eh Panthers cause that's the excuse you fed me then, "Oh ya this is a cash league so you can't expect me to not do what is best for my team."

You really have no class or sense of fair play.

Sabres · Guru

CBJackets wrote:

The fact that a GM would even accept that is borderline cheating.

This is reminiscent of when I claimed a player on waivers and tried to move him to the Panthers. After Florida had missed claiming that player on waivers, and when I tried to talk to him about dealing the player I had claimed to Florida, the Panthers GM started arguing that the waiver rule should be 48 hours and immediately put in a claim himself.

I guess you must really need the cash eh Panthers cause that's the excuse you fed me then, "Oh ya this is a cash league so you can't expect me to not do what is best for my team."

You really have no class or sense of fair play.

What did Florida do wrong? im actually just wondering what happened.

CBJackets · Guru

Florida's lines weren't used two games ago. But neither were anyone's. Honest mistake made by Eric in forgetting to load the lines. Lundqvist played when he should have been resting according to Florida's lines, and therefore dropped in condition to 95. He is now magically back up to 100 percent condition.

So what happened is that Lundqvist's condition was manually edited back to 100 percent, which is ridiculous especially because other teams' lines weren't used and they received no compensation.

So what happens if lines aren't used and so be it a player gets injured? Is he going to be magically bumped back to 100 percent?

Like I said...ridiculous.

-- Edited by CBJackets at 23:22, 2006-11-16

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

CBJackets wrote:

The fact that a GM would even accept that is borderline cheating.

So let me see if I've got your latest rant correct, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong. The league makes makes a mistake, and plays a goalie that should have been rested. That goalie was already fatigued. The league freely admits it was an error on their part, and unsolicited, indicates that to correct the mistake, they will manually reverse the fatigue that resulted from from the league mistake as well as the likely (but yes, not guaranteed) situation that the goalie would have rested and healed up. No points were given to the Panthers, the day wasn't gone back and re-simmed, nothing else was changed... the only thing that was altered to correct the error was altering the one player where it was known to have had an impact that it shouldn't. There can be no disputing that there is zero possibility that the goalie would have gotten more fatigued by sitting out.

Let's sum it up even simpler. League makes mistake, league says "yep, our fault, my appologies, here's what we'll do to rectify the situation".

And in your mind, this is borderline cheating... riiggghhhtttt.

And oh wait, let's not forget the fact that the league outright stated in a post that if anybody else had a problem because of the lines issues to get in touch with them about it.

CBJackets wrote:

This is reminiscent of when I claimed a player on waivers and tried to move him to the Panthers. After Florida had missed claiming that player on waivers, and when I tried to talk to him about dealing the player I had claimed to Florida, the Panthers GM started arguing that the waiver rule should be 48 hours and immediately put in a claim himself.

I guess you must really need the cash eh Panthers cause that's the excuse you fed me then, "Oh ya this is a cash league so you can't expect me to not do what is best for my team."

You really have no class or sense of fair play.

Ok, you want to make comments like trying to say the league fixing an error is cheating, hey, knock yourself out, all you do is make yourself look stupid. I have no problem with that. And it's all you're doing here again. You want to bring up the waiver thing yet again, hey I have no problem with that either. You ran your mouth on ICQ about this great waiver pickup that you'd gotten, but oops... the rules were clearly stated at the time that yes, it was 48 hours for waivers, or did you forget that fact? I didn't try "arguing" that it should be 48, hours, it was 48 hours. There was no separate rule at the time for 70 or over OV players.

So right... a good player is available on waivers and because you're stupid enough to go around bragging about what a great grab on waivers you got, it's classless for someone else put in a claim on the guy. Get real. You screwed up, thought you got the guy before the waiver period expired and blabbed about it. Damn straight I'm going to do what's best for my team and put in a claim too.

What's next? You make a trade offer that someone accepts, the trade goes through, you regret it the next day, and the guy's a jerk for not agreeing to trade back with you?

-- Edited by Florida Panthers at 01:20, 2006-11-17

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

CBJackets wrote:

So Florida gets compensated for that day's lines being used and no other team does. What a joke.

This is ridiculous.

Hmmm... what was it the league said in the post right before your first rant?? What was it... what was it... oh that's right...

"I'd like anyone who has a serious problem with what happened (such as trying to rest a goalie) to contact me, and we'll work something out."

-- Edited by Florida Panthers at 01:21, 2006-11-17

CBJackets · Guru

Wow, way to contradict yourself there.

So you state at least twice that the league stated that "I'd like anyone who has a serious problem with what happened (such as trying to rest a goalie) to contact me, and we'll work something out." and then you claim that the reversal on Lundqvist's condition was unsolicited, and that you had absolutely have no responsibility for his condition being upped. Ya, that is really easy to believe. And as has been shown before you have no problem at all taking your complaints to the commissioner. So you expect me to believe that in fact the league upped Lundqvists's condition without even talking to you or asking if that was acceptable. Ya right. Until the league steps in and accepts full responsibility for doing that then you're still classless and don't adhere to the rules of fair play. The classy thing would have been to accept the mistake and deal with the consequences, as every other team but yours did.

Just because the league says that they're going to reverse the error doesn't make it okay, from your standpoint or from the league's standpoint. So the league tells me okay we're going to bump a guy's SC up for this game to make up for not loading your lines last game and then bump it down for next game, we're not going to tell anyone and no one will know. Just because the league says it's okay, doesn't make it cheating?

And the error wasn't corrected, it was overcorrected. Lundqvist was what, 96 max 97 CD when he played the game in question. And now he's 100. And not only his he 100, his entire condition is reset. What I mean by that is if a 99 goalie was rested one day and he went back up to 100, that goalie has a good chance of going back down to 99 with another game. This way, Lundqvist is completely fresh. It's as if he's just starting the season. Hell he could be 100 percent for the next 5 games. What kind of precedent does this set for the league when errors like this are manually corrected, and worse, no one is notified about them.

Surely you can't be advocating that anytime someone has some kind of complaint they can just go to the league and have it rectified, even if that is what is stated by the league. That is a terrible league policy, how could anyone possibly agree with it except when it's in their favour. So say my lines aren't loaded and I have Joe Sakic on my 2nd line and he gets put out for a month by a winger playing on the 2nd line. I should be able to ask the league to de-injure him. That is ridiculous.

So basically to sum up your argument, because the league said I could do it it's fine. Right, that's really convincing.

And all of this after VEHEMENTLY denying that the league had any right whatsoever to even consider reversing an error they may have made on a waiver claim made by Tampa Bay for Richardson. So now it's okay for the league to go correcting its mistakes because its your team? I would say you're the one who looks stupid.

As for the waiver pickup well, I asked Eric and he told me it was 24 hours. Eric TOLD ME the claim had gone through. Does that make it okay? Even though the rulebook clearly states 48 hours.

You've clearly shown in your attitude towards the league that you don't really give a rats ass what happens, as long as it's good for the Panthers.

I can guarantee you if this happened to another team you'd be up in arms. Just as you were up in arms about line and waiver violations. Cheating right? Even though the league did nothing about it. Yup, it was.

So after stating about ten times that anyone who had a problem with what went on should contact the league you're going to try and tell me that the change in Lundqvist's condition was unsolicited. Ha! And even if it was, you still accepted the correction without any regard for the league or any of the other GMs in it.

Call it whatever you want, it's cheating to me, even if it is endorsed by the league.

-- Edited by CBJackets at 02:30, 2006-11-17

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CBJackets · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

the only thing that was altered to correct the error was altering the one player where it was known to have had an impact that it shouldn't.

Sorry but no, that is incorrect. Why? Because there is no way to know what else may have happened or not happened had the right lines been used. Hell, if the team you played's lines are used maybe they lose the game, maybe they get 15 shots on net and Lundqvist's condition doesn't deteriorate. That is all speculation.

Christian Ehrhoff injured at 07:56 of the 1st Period

Dan Boyle injured at 17:26 of the 3rd Period

Eric Belanger injured at 04:07 of the 1st Period

Sandis Ozolinsh injured at 04:10 of the 3rd Period

Four injuries that occured on the day when lines were not loaded. Loaded lines, potentially a whole different outcome. Players may play less or more, may be on the ice against different players, the same injuries may or may not happen.

Shoud we reverse those injuries?

The fact is that those GMs took it like men and didn't whine to the league to have those injuries overturned.

Hawks_G · Guru

This is a personal debate and should be taken to PM. That or a group email between these two parties and Bryce and Eric.

PUBLIC ARGUMENTS ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE LEAGUE.

-- Edited by Hawks_G at 11:29, 2006-11-17

CBJackets · Guru

Yes things got personal but this is a matter for the entire league to be aware of. When something is done "secretly" like this what other recourse is there rather than to ask for an explanation from the league officials. What other "fixes" are going on behind the scenes? I'm not making any accusations but an adjustment like this should be explained to the entire league, it's not just some backroom deal between one GM and the commssioners.

You just can't adjust a player's condition. That's akin to messing with the ratings while the season is going on. It's just something that can't and should not be done.

But it seems that since this thread has had so few replies, no one really cares.

VanIslander · Guru

We have honest commishes and I trust they are attempting to do the right thing.

Anyone with a concern regarding the mistake have been invited to contact Eric to see if it can be addressed or compensated for.

Simply do so, as the Panthers g.m. did.

devils · Veteran Member

"But it seems that since this thread has had so few replies, no one really cares."

Please never confuse my lack of interest with my lack of responce... I simply don't feel the need to interject an opinion in every matter that blows up on the Message Board or amongst the Trade Board listings. I just choose to pick my responces, see your recent trade block. "

Sabres · Guru

devils wrote:

"But it seems that since this thread has had so few replies, no one really cares."

Please never confuse my lack of interest with my lack of responce... I simply don't feel the need to interject an opinion in every matter that blows up on the Message Board or amongst the Trade Board listings. I just choose to pick my responces, see your recent trade block. "

The buffalo Sabres agree. We stand behind most of the views held by Matthew (CLS)

Philippe27 · Guru

I didn't read all the stuff but I tend to agree with Matt. Vokoun rested for 3 straight days and stayed at 97 CD. Even if it was a league error I feel Florida was advantaged unfairly.

Sabres · Guru

I dont know what can be done now. I think this should be awknowledged, however i think this case should be put to rest. Eric and Bryce tried to handle the situation as best as they could.