Bruins make BIG trade

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Bruins make BIG trade

CBJackets · Guru

Man that's a lot to give up, but I guess that is what star players cost. Michalek looks like the next Hossa to me. But where does this leave the Bruins. Not good enough to compete now and with this trade not good enough to compete later. Hopefully for the B's there is indeed another trade coming. If someone is actually going to pay more than that for Hossa then just wow.

OilersBrent · Senior Member

I think Bryce got a great deal. Hossa is leading the NHL in scoring and is showing no signs of looking back. Michalek has had a great start but I dont think he will keep it up. Wolski is decent but isn't having a great year. Umberger hasn't developed very well. Schneider is several years away from making the NHL and when he does will have to compete with Luongo.

Overall, Bryce wins this trade by a landslide in my opinion...

-- Edited by OilersBrent at 21:55, 2006-11-14

CBJackets · Guru

Wolski not doing well? 11 points in 17 games for a rookie is excellent. I also think Michalek will slow down but he seems well on his way to being a PPG winger who is a beast at both ends of the ice. Alexeev has 14 points in 17 games and Umberger may be somewhat damaged goods but he's got the potential to be a pretty good player. Malone has some potential, but a lot of it is wasted, he's a worse Mark Bell in my opinion.

That's a lot to give up. Sure having the best player in the league is nice, but that's giving up 4 potential top 6 forwards, two of which look like they'll be 1st line players.

It would make sense if you had a lot of top notch assets, or if you were a Hossa away from the cup, but I don't see the point of Boston making the deal. Hence why It seems logical he'll be moved again. I just have a hard time seeing anyone matching or beating that return.

OilersBrent · Senior Member

I agree that the youngsters have potential but I don't see any of them making an impact but Michalek for a few years. Hossa will be dominate for years and Malone has just as much potential as Umberger or Alexeev.

I guess it comes down to are you willing to wait for 3-4 years or do you want to make the safe pick. Personally, I would take Hossa and Malone and run.

As for a better return, I offered Afinogenov, Fisher, Gorges and Michalek for Hossa, Malone and Rathje, to be rejected. IMO, I made the better offer, but I wasn't the one making the final call. In the end I am happy my offer didn't go through because I would have over paid now that I think about it.

-- Edited by OilersBrent at 22:15, 2006-11-14

CBJackets · Guru

OilersBrent wrote:

I agree that the youngsters have potential but I don't see any of them making an impact but Michalek for a few years. Hossa will be dominate for years and Malone has just as much potential as Umberger or Alexeev.

I guess it comes down to are you willing to wait for 3-4 years or do you want to make the safe pick. Personally, I would take Hossa and Malone and run.

As for a better return, I offered Afinogenov, Fisher, Gorges and Michalek for Hossa, Malone and Rathje, to be rejected. IMO, I made the better offer, but I wasn't the one making the final call. In the end I am happy my offer didn't go through because I would have over paid now that I think about it.

-- Edited by OilersBrent at 22:08, 2006-11-14

Wow your offer ain't even close. Gorges is a spare part that will be passed by in San Jose in a few years. Fisher ain't a bad energy guy but he's nowhere near Michalek or Wolski. Afinogenov is good but he'll slow down and hover around 80 pts this year. I would say you would have clearly one that one, besides taking back ****ty Rathje.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

All depends on your views of the players personally I broke it down

Hossa = Wolski, Michalek, Schneider

Malone = Umberger, Alexeev

So then it depends how you like guys. I'm not high on Schneider and he is light years away from the NHL, not a big Umberger guy either. I love Michalek, but IF he gets to Hossa level it's still years away. Wolski is nice, long run he may win the deal, but Hossa is signed for 3 years at which time he is RFA at the end of contract, so he will be a Bruin for a long time. AND we have plenty of prospects and young guys still. I believe when you have a chance to add a top end guy you do it, and we did.

CBJackets · Guru

Sure but can you really afford it. I don't see many players for Hossa to play with. Olesz is a few seasons away from putting up good numbers and Lupul is a creampuff. Hossa will be verrry lonely on that top line for a while.

Just playing devil's advocate

Sabres · Guru

wow that is big..don't know what to think quite yet..i love Michalek but i do also wonder if his 20 points is sort of a fluke..I never really liked Wolski all that much but he is a rising star thats for sure..

Hossa's only got 3 years then hes UFA..I can't imagine a trade like that ever happends in the NHL really. Even Alexeev has looked great.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

Hossa's only got 3 years then hes UFA..I can't imagine a trade like that ever happends in the NHL really. Even Alexeev has looked great.

Except for the fact Hossa will RFA, not UFA...

BruinsAssistantGM · Veteran Member

As the driving force behind the deal i thought i would chirp in with my 2 cents.

If you disagree please reply but name me one GM who wouldn't want Hossa, he is only 26 and signed for 3 years.
My feeling is that you can't lose a trade when you get the best player in the deal, you don't always win but you can't lose. Yes we gave up a lot of youth and some POSSIBLE future stars, Hossa is that star and we don't have to wait, this also always leaves us with a chance to deal him off you more youth when his stock should be high at the trading deadline and get back other younger players that look to have more promise. We also are still looking into acquiring other players to assist Hossa, this isn't a 1 trade plan.

Just my feelings after a day of negoating, those of you who think we lost the deal i would love to hear from you, maybe you can rip us off the same way!

By the way
3-0 win with new players Hossa 1G 2nd star and Malone 2 pts

Chinnick

Philippe27 · Guru

I think Boston won the deal, Hossa is one of the most complete players in the NHL if not the most. I'm guessing Rangers liked those specific players on Boston since I thought the deal we had made was more to his advantage than this one. Anyways good deal for Boston.

NYRGM · Senior Member

Ok boys, time for the Rangers to way in here. I have to thank CLB for his inteligent thoughts on this deal and his take on Edmonton who is extremely jealous and irate that I didnt take his gaff deal. He could have easily had Hossa and company but.... it all came down to who wanted him more and was actually committed to making a deal. Boston came to me and put forth a solid effort in obtaining him and I respect and thank him for that. We were in trade talks for nearly 10hrs. For my organization this was a huge move, moving our best player, the NHL's top player, and a guy that has drawn interest from EVERY team in the BRHL. I feel the deal was fair and that both teams won. I win in long run (hopefully), and Boston wins now and maybe in longrun too if he flips Hossa.

All this discussion and back and forth can only help Boston's cause in further generating hype on hossa. Be honest gentleman you all wish you could sport BIG POPPA PUMP on your right side, and you all know your lighting up the phones over in boston after him as we speak. In getting back to Edmonton's run at Hossa. I personally love Fisher even though he's a 3rd line grinder. I also happen to like Michalek and Gorges is young, but Afinogenov was the deciding factor. I personally am not a fan of him or who knows. I'm not going to trash Edmonton like he seems to be doing to me in these posts, I just wanted to add my 2 cents in my defense because I realize he's upset and wishes he had the deal and that I settled for less with his offer.

In closing I'd like to thank all gm's who participated in the Hossa sweepstakes and would like to remind you all that, several more rangers are set to be shipped to give me a hollar, operators are standing by..........................

-Joe DesMarais

NYRGM

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

The Bruins organization has continued to receive offers on Hossa and will listen to all offers put forward. We are not overly interested in a smattering of prospects, but good young NHLers and established players are on the menu. If interested, fire me an email.

bryce

CBJackets · Guru

BruinsAssistantGM wrote:

As the driving force behind the deal i thought i would chirp in with my 2 cents.

If you disagree please reply but name me one GM who wouldn't want Hossa, he is only 26 and signed for 3 years.
My feeling is that you can't lose a trade when you get the best player in the deal, you don't always win but you can't lose. Yes we gave up a lot of youth and some POSSIBLE future stars, Hossa is that star and we don't have to wait, this also always leaves us with a chance to deal him off you more youth when his stock should be high at the trading deadline and get back other younger players that look to have more promise. We also are still looking into acquiring other players to assist Hossa, this isn't a 1 trade plan.

Just my feelings after a day of negoating, those of you who think we lost the deal i would love to hear from you, maybe you can rip us off the same way!

By the way
3-0 win with new players Hossa 1G 2nd star and Malone 2 pts

Chinnick

Welll you said you wanted to hear it so here goes. Unfortunately you don't have the assets to acquire anyone to play with Hossa unless that player is a marginal 1st liner or future UFA. Pouliot, Picard and Bourret have not shown much that indicates they will be able to step into a top 6 role and produce anytime soon. Pouliot has been good in the A but Edmonton is stacked and Schremp will likely get a crack at a top 6 spot first. Olesz and Lupul have the potential to be top 6 wingers but they are a season or two away if they ever reach that level. Dealing either one of them is going to create one whole by filling another.

Alexeev, Michalek and Wolski were going to be 3 top 6 wingers for you possibly as soon as next year. Even better, they're going to be on excellent contracts.

Trading for a guy in the hopes of getting more for him down the road can be a very dangerous proposition. In reality there are only a handful of teams who could up that offer and may be willing.

Is Buffalo willing to give up Jeff Carter, Shea Weber and Anze Kopitar?

Would Detroit give up Bouchard, Cammalleri and Frolov?

I will applaud the Bruins to no end if they can get a better return for Hossa than the Rangers got. however I think it was the wrong move at the wrong time for this team. Hossa's also at his peak value right now and it's never a great idea to buy at that time. Hossa will slow down, it's difficult to imagine him outpointing Kovalchuk, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, Radulov etc. over the next few seasons.