Whats going on with the lack of activity?

Sabres · Guru

Whats going on with the lack of activity?

Hawks_G · Guru

Well, I can understand some activity bumps, some GMs are probably not too excited about mid level prospects. Hey, I like Joe Fallon fine, but most don't have a clue who he is.

Secondly, people have drafted players they like. We have only traded picks, and no roster guys. Why trade our guys, we drafted them because we like them. So trade activity isn't going to be the greatest in a draft league...(Except for the guy that has 5 back up goalies and other guys need them...

BUT, that being said, I have sent trade offers to GMs that have had no response. These GMs are NOT on the AWAY list.

I don't expect people to do the marathon icq thing. But I do expect a prompt reply to all emails.

CBJackets · Guru

I really don't get why you would want to be in a league if you're not going to talk trade and interact with other GMs. It's extremely frustrating when you don't get answers to your trade inquiries. All 30 GMs have to be available to at least say "no thanks", it's just common courtesy.

Sabres · Guru

CBJackets wrote:

I really don't get why you would want to be in a league if you're not going to talk trade and interact with other GMs. It's extremely frustrating when you don't get answers to your trade inquiries. All 30 GMs have to be available to at least say "no thanks", it's just common courtesy.

I agree completely.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

CBJackets wrote:

I really don't get why you would want to be in a league if you're not going to talk trade and interact with other GMs. It's extremely frustrating when you don't get answers to your trade inquiries. All 30 GMs have to be available to at least say "no thanks", it's just common courtesy.

I agree completely.

At the end of the day, it's just not worth getting upset over. Someone doesn't respond to a trade offer? Sure it can be annoying, but move on to the next one. Let's also keep in mind that we're done everything until the preseason starts, so a lot of people, whether they're actually around right now or not, may not be looking at anything brhl2 related with any urgency.

You can also still want to be in a league to build a team, see how it will do, and enjoy it, but as I mentioned in another thread as well, it's just for fun, and at the end of the day, for most people it's going to be a relatively small part of their lives. Sure they want to be in the league, but it doesn't mean they want to talk about the league and talk trade every day or even every week for that matter.

With all that said, I do agree though, that even if not interested, or even if someone doesn't have time or want to look at things right now, it only takes a few seconds to respond to an e-mail with "I'll look later, no time right now" or "not interested".

Hawks_G · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

Sabres wrote:

CBJackets wrote:

I really don't get why you would want to be in a league if you're not going to talk trade and interact with other GMs. It's extremely frustrating when you don't get answers to your trade inquiries. All 30 GMs have to be available to at least say "no thanks", it's just common courtesy.

I agree completely.
Sure they want to be in the league, but it doesn't mean they want to talk about the league and talk trade every day or even every week for that matter.

With all that said, I do agree though, that even if not interested, or even if someone doesn't have time or want to look at things right now, it only takes a few seconds to respond to an e-mail with "I'll look later, no time right now" or "not interested".

Well, Mr. Nicey Nice guy...

(As opposed to us "Off with their heads" guys...)

The issue is this. What if there is a player you are scouting that you want? What if the team you are contacting has a player that fits exactly into your needs?

We all look for realism, and although people may "want" to be in the league, that comes with certain responsiblities.

1. Respect other GMs. The Golden Rule applies.
2. Respond to all league sponsored issues. (The draft, free agency, roll calls)
3. Respond to all GM inquiries. If you aren't interested then a polite "No thank you" will suffice.

Now some GMs were "TERRIBLE" when it came to responding to the draft. And this is where the contention will be in a "PAY" league.

Can you fire a GM?

If you can fire a GM, will someone be willing to pay to take over that team?

What happens if no one steps up to pay the yearly $50 to GM that team?

What about these teams that have been negligent in making their picks?

If they fall the wayside, someone taking over is now handicapped because they only got thirty picks out of fifty?

Anyways, we have lots of prospects and if someone wants to move some salary or contracts for them, we are listening.

Philippe27 · Guru

I gotta agree with Columbus and Hawks, I'm very surprised that GM's aren,t anymore active than this in a cash league. I mean some GM's have been skipping their picks and making them on the board since rounds 15-20.

Anyways I'm not sure what's gonna happen with those guys after Season 1 because it doesn't seem like they want to be here.
We'll see as the season moves on what happens though, I'm hoping it'll pick up a little.

VanIslander · Guru

I am very concerned about the lack of picks.

Lose the picks if not made by the deadline? that would undermine the health of the franchises and by extension the league.

Prospects should be assigned to those teams that don't make their prospect picks by the deadline. Us more active g.m.s can submit lists of recommended players still available, quality prospects, that would go on the prospect lists of the deadbeat g.m.s. That way, at the end of the year, if they don't pay up for the following season, then the franchises won't be in such sorry states, they'll have some prospects to trade or develop. We are talking about 10+ prospects per team in a couple of cases.

Please consider this idea. It's for the good of the league, and it doesn't interfer with anything the g.m. might do in the short term (prospect lists don't affect contracts or simming at all at present, are about future seasons).

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

VanIslander wrote:

I am very concerned about the lack of picks.

Prospects should be assigned to those teams that don't make their prospect picks by the deadline. Us more active g.m.s can submit lists of recommended players still available, quality prospects, that would go on the prospect lists of the deadbeat g.m.s. That way, at the end of the year, if they don't pay up for the following season, then the franchises won't be in such sorry states, they'll have some prospects to trade or develop. We are talking about 10+ prospects per team in a couple of cases.

Please consider this idea. It's for the good of the league, and it doesn't interfer with anything the g.m. might do in the short term (prospect lists don't affect contracts or simming at all at present, are about future seasons).

Absolutely I'd tend to think that's a fine idea. It's not hard work to just randomly give them whatever prospects.

At the same time, I personally really don't think that it's all that big a deal for the later rounds for someone to miss the draft that day or a couple days and then just make their picks. By round 40, we're talking about 1200 players and prospects being gone. It's a crapshoot at that point and anybody thinking otherwise is kidding themselves. But they should still at least make them themselves at some point. or at the very least just ask the the commishs to just pick the next goalie, or dman, or whatever... there's really no reason not to do that.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Hawks_G wrote:

CBJackets wrote:

Well, Mr. Nicey Nice guy... (As opposed to us "Off with their heads" guys...)

The issue is this. What if there is a player you are scouting that you want? What if the team you are contacting has a player that fits exactly into your needs?

We all look for realism, and although people may "want" to be in the league, that comes with certain responsiblities.

1. Respect other GMs. The Golden Rule applies.
2. Respond to all league sponsored issues. (The draft, free agency, roll calls)
3. Respond to all GM inquiries. If you aren't interested then a polite "No thank you" will suffice.

Can you fire a GM?

If you can fire a GM, will someone be willing to pay to take over that team?

Frankly, the player can fit exactly with what you need all you like, but it doesn't mean that you're going to get him, response or not, and you shouldn't think that you are...

I agree with you on all 3 of your items pointed out that people should do. If someone is around, there's no reason why they can't say "no thanks", or even "I'll get back to you."

With regards to firing a GM, I think you need a pretty damn good reason to do that. "not participating enough"? What is "enough"? Hell, the rules only say that GMs are encouraged to submit lines at least "once per month" to demonstrate the interest. Even I'll say that's a very lenient thing. Someone not responding to an e-mail fast enough... not even close to "enough"

I do think that it has to be kept in mind that pay league or not, it's still for fun and it's not a job. People can't be expected to have to interact daily for it. Especially now of all times, hell, we just finished the dispersal draft and haven't even started the preseason! I'm sure a lot of people want to try their team as is!

I don't say all this stuff because I won't be involved... I'm certainly one of the ones on ICQ a majority of the time compared to most, and I enjoy making deals and trades. But there's gonna be times when it's just not a priority for me, and I won't be around as much, or I just won't want to do anything but submit lines for a while.

I think there's a lot of needless panic starting here about committment and activeness far too early.

Sabres · Guru

There is no panic, I was merely expressing my frustrations with lack of response from trade inquiries. And i think it's fine to express a certain level of frustration.

The arguement "they picked em so they wont wanna trade em" is quite piss poor. This league is about being a GM..making your team better..I am guessing some people now realize deficencies in their team and would like to make it better..maybe they'd trade away someone who they took before another player just because of more immediate needs.

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

I agree, it is too early for needless panic, however the lack of participation was alarming, and generally gives you a good idea on what type of GMs you have in a league. I hope these Gms make a exceptional turnaround in their league participation for the better of the league trading or not. At very worse, like I said before, their 50 is as good as anyone elses and their loss is my gain !

VanIslander · Guru

Sabres wrote:

The arguement "they picked em so they wont wanna trade em" is quite piss poor. This league is about being a GM..making your team better..I am guessing some people now realize deficencies in their team and would like to make it better..

Eventualyy, yes, but as Panthers g.m. said, "we just finished the dispersal draft and haven't even started the preseason! I'm sure a lot of people want to try their team as is!" I am one of them. AFTER the preseason I'll have a better assessment of my team needs, especially seeing how certain line combinations and defensive pairings play, overall team strengths and weaknesses, statistically.

VanIslander · Guru

to all those worried about lack of participation: how many cover page stories have you written?

how many posts on the boards to begin discussions on topics about the NHL, prospects, whatever?

encourage the culture of participation by doing something to foster its growth

imo

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

The arguement "they picked em so they wont wanna trade em" is quite piss poor. This league is about being a GM..making your team better..I am guessing some people now realize deficencies in their team and would like to make it better..maybe they'd trade away someone who they took before another player just because of more immediate needs.

It's not a piss poor reason what-so-ever. And it was simply one possible reason for why someone won't trade someone. And it's an especially valid one at the moment given that we haven't even started the preseason. You're absolutely right in that some GMs will look at their teams and see holes they need to fill. Just like some will be perfectly happy with their team as is. Just like some GMs won't want to trade a player simply because they really really really like that player and even if a trade offer is a fair one, they may not be interested...

There's also potentially reasons why someone CAN'T respond to an e-mail immediately. Their connection is down for a couple of days... their computer went shot and it's getting repaired... not everyone has a computer or internet connection at work to make a post on the board saying they won't have access to the internet for a while. Someone may have gotten hurt and are in the hospital for a few days... or there might be a family emergency where they aren't at home for a couple days (I know if I had something like that come up, the league wouldn't exactly be very high on my list of people to notify)...

You also mentioned previously that you PM'd some people without responses. What exactly do you mean by that? Private Messaged them throught their account on this board? I for one can say that if anybody sends me a message through this board it's highly likely that I won't even know it's there. With ICQ and e-mail, those are far more direct ways...

And although it may sound like I'm making excuses of other people, again, I'm in 100% agreement that regardless of the reason that someone may not want to make a deal, that it's purely common courtesy to respond one way or the other, or to make some sort of response, assuming they can. And I certainly agree that if you let it, it can be very frustrating not to hear back from someone. At the same time I've also gotten to the point where I've realized there's a hell of a lot of other things in life more important to give my frustration to than someone not responding to a trade offer.

I simply think it's far too early to worry about committment to the league or being active.