Waiver draft

HOTLANTA · Guru

Waiver draft

philly · Guru

LOL, I almost pissed my pants reading this.

Kirk, thank you soooooo much for looking out for the lesser GMs in our league. You are a class act as proved by your hovering over the carcasses of about a dozen former GMs that you have maliciously raped time and time again, with absolutely no regard for our LEAGUE, but plenty for your TEAM, costing the other GMs a position with our league. LOL, absolutely hilarious!

If you were a more active GM, you would recall the 3 player claimed rule from previous waiver drafts... but doing the bare minimum, you checked the rules page... congrats!

If you recall, last season Bryce's own roster had 3 guys claimed in the waiver draft, and thus was allowed to put R.Jones in the minors... As well as several other instances over the past few years.

In short, if you were too LAZY to better your farm roster, that's your problem, not any of ours.

Bryce, do you mind updating your rules page so Kirk understands more about our waiver process.... as he is just beside himself worrying about everyone else and the possibility of their teams being put at a competitive disadvantage.

-- Edited by philly on Tuesday 25th of October 2011 12:49:45 PM

philly · Guru

Oh wait, its not in the rules there...... so maybe a good team with a good farm system should be allowed to have 87 players claimed off of it (29 teams x 3 rounds)

Oh shoot, maybe the rules havent been updated....

geez i am sooo concerned with all the new GMs maybe not getting their fair shake at this waiver draft Bryce and Eric.... maybe we should just scrap it entirely instead....... or....... even better..... we should have everyone not on a 23 man roster as free agents to be signed by anyone all year! Yeah lets go that direction instead!!!

and yes these last 2 posts are dripping in sarcasm and hyperbole, just trying to keep something in common with the entire thread.

HOTLANTA · Guru

''If you recall, last season Bryce's own roster had 3 guys claimed in the waiver draft, and thus was allowed to put R.Jones in the minors... As well as several other instances over the past few years..''

in what part of the NHL season wouldnt ryan jones have had to pass through waivers??

Arent we supposed to mimic the NHL??

http://brhl2.activeboard.com/t45472289/rfa-signing-rules-updated-important/

isnt that what ur implying in this thread rex?

for teams like San Jose who are going to get fined alot for not meeting roster requirements who just joined the league while R.Jones is stashed on another teams farm through some loophole is legit??

just curious what everyone in the league thinks not just rex's screaming

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Quick hit thoughts

1. We aren't changing something a week before it goes into effect, maybe we look at adjusting things next year.

2. It is impossible for us to duplicate NHL waiver rules (due to service time etc.) Therefore we built in a system to prevent teams for hoarding up on all the talent.

3. Our waiver age of 24 and higher is pretty strict, and does not mirror the NHL

4. The waiver draft was designed to spread the wealth, and not bury teams that build up depth. It's been the same way for 4 years (didn't have one in first year obviously after drafting teams). Teams should not rely on the waiver draft for filling out rosters, that is what all the scrubs in UFA are for.

5. Low end teams are able to pluck a few players from high end teams (in theory thats the practice). Players under 1.5 million in contract in theory aren't your star players. If a team loses 3 of them to start the year and has a few extra bodies they want to demote, there is that benefit built in as well.

6. We have a rule in place that anyone exposed in the last round, will be on waivers for an additional 24 hours to prevent a top team from just demoting all their guys possible late in the draft.

We'll get the info up soon, ill have to dig and find it, and yes, I will update the rulebook with all the info.

I hope that satisfies Kirk, the champion for the little guys LOL

philly · Guru

Huzzah!

HOTLANTA · Guru

so in theory if S.Belle, L.Reddox, T.Chorney get claimed in waiver draft i can send down Modano (1.35), Nichol (900k), Rome (500k), Peckham (1.1), Corvo (1.3) Voracek (925k), Macarthur (657k), C.Wilson (975k), D.Moore (958K) to the farm throughout the season?

seems like a whacky rule to me..

-- Edited by HOTLANTA on Tuesday 25th of October 2011 04:06:27 PM

MinniGM · Senior Member

I actually have no issue with any player under 1.5M being minors eligible, what I would like to see if all non-playoff teams getting to pick 3 players max, all playoffs only able to pick 2 players max, a team can only have two players picked overall however, if they pick a player then the team must drop a player on their protected list and their player max increases by one. Moreover if you pass during a round you are out for all of the next rounds. So in theory if you choose a player in all two or three rounds you could possibly lose 5 or 6 players in the process as well... Plus it speeds up the waiver draft process and can be done in an hour or so...

Of course for teams that are picking three players will probably not have the players teams will want to claim so it is a non-factor for them, but for good teams that are just cherry picking cause they can they now face some consequences.

As for the 1.5M rule we all know it, it is like saying any salary up to 1.5M the player is on a two way contract, and if we want to force players to stay up with the big club then offer them more in the UFA period. The rule could be improved by making it 1.0M for these type of players, but I believe the system works, in the NHL you have descent players that are making some bucks that are on two way contracts, thou probably not at the 1.5M mark we currently set. :)

PhoenixGM · Guru

I was thinking about this a few days ago actually, why not make a rule like this:

Once a team has had three players claimed, all players currently on waivers will get a free pass to the minors. Any additional player who they attempt to send down will be exposed for the duration of the draft (or for 24 hours for players sent down in the last round).

philly · Guru

Really like Steve's wording above here... although I am sure this is what Bryce was saying with #6 on his list...

Players sent to the minors in the last round of the waiver draft (or after they have had 3 players selected in waiver draft), must clear through a 24 hour waiver period....... My only question would be: how many guys can be claimed in waivers per team at this point in time? Both how many guys can be poached per team at that time and how many guys a team could theoretically fill his roster with as well?

Answers would be appreciated.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

1. It would only be 1 guy per team since its only the guys from last round
2. Guys can claim as many as they want, but the first guy they claim, woudl put them to the bottom of the priority list. So it would be hard to have numerous claims.

PhoenixGM · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:
1. It would only be 1 guy per team since its only the guys from last round
2. Guys can claim as many as they want, but the first guy they claim, woudl put them to the bottom of the priority list. So it would be hard to have numerous claims.

#1 is not true, last year people started sending a bunch of guys down once they hit the three player taken numbe

Rumpy · Senior Member

Another idea to mirror the NHL.

I think we should limit the number of pro and farm roster players to 50 just like the NHL does. (Prospects Obviously don't count)

Having 170 players on the farm only allows teams like Winnipeg and Calgary to stock pile assets.

I signed 10 plugs in UFA that I have never even heard of to ice a full farm team but would would it be fair or neccesary to keep signing more?

I brought this up with Kirk when he was bragging about having 60 picks in last years draft and was really suprised that the league didn't have a rule of this sort. Make these guys shed some of the dead weight on the farm .........

RWCordell · Senior Member

I have wondered about that rule, or lack of as well. I understand why some GM's sign available players to the farm team as obviously at some point, 1 or 2 of these totally unheard of guys suddenly get a shot and turn into something. It is a good practice to get into as getting a guy at league min. and putting him on the farm costs next to nothing to the franchise and could result in only good things but the roster limit is part of hockey management and also partly responsible for waiver rules. If we are trying to emulate the NHL then we should be following roster limits as well. My 2 cents.

PhoenixGM · Guru

Rumpy wrote:
Another idea to mirror the NHL.

I think we should limit the number of pro and farm roster players to 50 just like the NHL does. (Prospects Obviously don't count)

Having 170 players on the farm only allows teams like Winnipeg and Calgary to stock pile assets.

I signed 10 plugs in UFA that I have never even heard of to ice a full farm team but would would it be fair or neccesary to keep signing more?

I brought this up with Kirk when he was bragging about having 60 picks in last years draft and was really suprised that the league didn't have a rule of this sort. Make these guys shed some of the dead weight on the farm .........

Pretty sure there was a 50 player limit in the past... ?