Bidding Explanations

PensGM · Veteran Member

RE: Bidding Explanations

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

Eric_Isles wrote:
Since we have a few new GMs and because it can't hurt to refresh everyone's mind so that the next few days for Bryce and I are made easier.
We value contract offers based on the yearly amount/year: (yearly salary + (total signing bonus/years))
So if Boston offers Mats Sundin a 3 year, $4,750,000 contract. The Max SB is $7,125,000.

If Boston offers Mats Sundin a 3 year, $4,750,000 contract, $6,000,000 SB. And NY Islanders offer Mats Sundin a 4 year, $5,000,000 contract, $6,000,000 SB. The Boston Bruins ($6,750,000/yr) would beat the offer that the NY Islanders ($6,500,000/yr) have placed.

Another example:
If Detroit offers Pavel Bure a 5 year, $6,250,000 contract, $10,000,000 SB. And Florida offers Pavel Bure a 2 year, $7,500,000 contract with a $3,000,000 SB. The Florida Panthers ($9,000,000/yr) would beat the offer of the Detroit Red Wings ($8,250,000/yr).

If you guys need more explanations, let me know, but I think this should help.

Question:

Why is it total yearly contract and not total overall contract that's the deciding factor?

Using the Detroit example, Bure stands to make a total of $41.25 mil over the course of the total contract with Detroit's offer, but only $18 mil over the course of the Panthers offer - that's a difference of over $23 million.

Would you not think that as a FA total monies offered would be a bigger deciding factor?

Basically as the rules stand, the only people that can really go after UFAs are teams with cap space and teams with money are pretty much sitting on the sidelines - which seems counter intuitive when compared with the NHL model and the NYR.

philly · Guru

Basically as the rules stand, the only people that can really go after UFAs are teams with cap space and teams with money are pretty much sitting on the sidelines - which seems counter intuitive when compared with the NHL model and the NYR.

Really Dave???

Shouldn't the teams that haven't made bad contract offers be rewarded for their salary cap space??

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

1. We're doing the board drafting, the sim wasn't working out and having to many issues. That was my fault for not researching it more thoroughly

2. Total yearly gives a single base that we can operate from, and gives teams fluctuation to making offers. If we went on total contract value, you would see nothing but 4-5 year deals that players sign for, thereby eliminating and depth in free agency throughout the years. Also, in order to sign a UFA you have to have cap room in the NHL or here, in all actuality our system gives a team MORE flexibility because we do count SB as part of the offer, but not against the cap. If an NHl team wants a free agent, has a ton of cash, but have no cap room. They have to clear the cap room to sign a guy.

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

philly wrote:
Basically as the rules stand, the only people that can really go after UFAs are teams with cap space and teams with money are pretty much sitting on the sidelines - which seems counter intuitive when compared with the NHL model and the NYR.

Really Dave???
Shouldn't the teams that haven't made bad contract offers be rewarded for their salary cap space??

By allowing them to make *really* bad contract contract offers? Lidstrom's and Marty Brodeur's most recent contracts come to mind...

SharksGM · Member

Hawks GM 2 wrote:
Eric_Isles wrote:
Since we have a few new GMs and because it can't hurt to refresh everyone's mind so that the next few days for Bryce and I are made easier.
We value contract offers based on the yearly amount/year: (yearly salary + (total signing bonus/years))
So if Boston offers Mats Sundin a 3 year, $4,750,000 contract. The Max SB is $7,125,000.

If Boston offers Mats Sundin a 3 year, $4,750,000 contract, $6,000,000 SB. And NY Islanders offer Mats Sundin a 4 year, $5,000,000 contract, $6,000,000 SB. The Boston Bruins ($6,750,000/yr) would beat the offer that the NY Islanders ($6,500,000/yr) have placed.

Another example:
If Detroit offers Pavel Bure a 5 year, $6,250,000 contract, $10,000,000 SB. And Florida offers Pavel Bure a 2 year, $7,500,000 contract with a $3,000,000 SB. The Florida Panthers ($9,000,000/yr) would beat the offer of the Detroit Red Wings ($8,250,000/yr).

If you guys need more explanations, let me know, but I think this should help.
Question:

Why is it total yearly contract and not total overall contract that's the deciding factor?

Using the Detroit example, Bure stands to make a total of $41.25 mil over the course of the total contract with Detroit's offer, but only $18 mil over the course of the Panthers offer - that's a difference of over $23 million.

Would you not think that as a FA total monies offered would be a bigger deciding factor?

Basically as the rules stand, the only people that can really go after UFAs are teams with cap space and teams with money are pretty much sitting on the sidelines - which seems counter intuitive when compared with the NHL model and the NYR.

Think about it this way: I offer player X $2M per year for 10 years. Someone else offers player X $4M per year for 3 years. Which is he going to go for?

MinniGM · Senior Member

In the NHL most players will take a long term contract over a short term contract so I disagree with the yearly salary over total salary discussion. Yes, there are always going to be cases where a player will go either way, I can give numerous examples to support both cases, but on average the player will take a total salary amount over one year contract, as they could be injuried and never play again a long term gives the player security.

I am in two league one uses total salary and one used yearly salary they both have their merits and could care less what we use, but if you are trying to mirror the NHL on average the the total salary offer, would be chosen more often then not...