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BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

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BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Question brought up in BRHL and by a BRHL2 GM

"It seems that DF ratings are lower (especially amongst forwards) than they have been for the past few seasons...."

response from me

They are down a bit, seemingly too many guys had high DF before, which seemed to take some of the value out of the defensive specialists throughout the league. The mid-low end DF guys weren't affected, just the upper 10% has a bit more of a distinction from the 11-20% range.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Found an error in PH formula. Thanks Kirk. I am fixing it

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

BryceBruins wrote:
Question brought up in BRHL and by a BRHL2 GM

"It seems that DF ratings are lower (especially amongst forwards) than they have been for the past few seasons...."

response from me

They are down a bit, seemingly too many guys had high DF before, which seemed to take some of the value out of the defensive specialists throughout the league. The mid-low end DF guys weren't affected, just the upper 10% has a bit more of a distinction from the 11-20% range.

That being said, I did find an error in the formula and am fixing it now.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

http://www.brhlhockey.com/ratings/BRHL2-Unassigned.html

showing updated fixes

Anaheim GM · Guru

Basing a player's DF rating based on PK Time-on-Ice is a bit biased towards teams that take a lot of penalties...

Looking over the DF ratings one observaton I've made is that guys from teams like MTL, PIT, PHI that tend to have quite a few more PIMs per game than teams like NJ or SJ seems to have higher DF ratings...

Anyway, not sure there is anything that can be done about it.

According to my ratings analyzer, here are the top 10 overall d-men:

Nicklas Lidstrom

Shea Weber

Zdeno Chara

Brent Seabrook

Dan Boyle

Duncan Keith

Kristopher Letang

Kimmo Timonen

Jay Bouwmeester

Stephane Robidas

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

what ratios you using on those?

funny that the top 3 are likely to be the Norris finalists

Trevor - Blues · Veteran Member

Sidney Crosby is an absolute beast.

Rumpy · Senior Member

So is Thomas ashamed

Anaheim GM · Guru

Kari Lehtonen, Brent Johnson, Jose Theodore all seem to be rated a bit higher than they should be.

Martin Brodeur seems a bit too low.

Anaheim GM · Guru

"For PS ratings, a persons career stats are what it is based on, with a penalty for those with less than 10 attempts."

I'm really not liking how Cory Schneider gets a 35 for PS. That is second worst amongst all rated goalies (Justin Peters is the worst with a 24 PS rating)!!!

He was 3/3 in the shootout (and 2/2 in penalty shots) - a 100% SV %. Just because he doesn't have 10 attempts shouldn't mean he automatically gets a low rating.

Bobrovsky meanwhile gets a 43 rating, but his stats are really bad:

9 GA in 17 attempts (47.1% Sv %)

And how is it that Ben Scrivens gets a 57 and Dov Grumet-Morris gets a 56...? I mean these guys haven't even played a game in the NHL.

Something definately needs to change with this one in my opinion.

stickboyy · Veteran Member

sorry, but i think vern fiddlers df rating of 61 is a joke...

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

stickboyy wrote:
sorry, but i think vern fiddlers df rating of 61 is a joke...

Well, not necessarily tactful. Looking at his PK TOI/G it would appear to be an error. I will get it fixed up. For future reference, maybe list his stats and a comparable, rather than its a joke.

PhoenixGM · Guru

stickboyy wrote:
sorry, but i think vern fiddlers df rating of 61 is a joke...

Some people have put a lot of effort into these ratings. If you have a concern, the least you could do is show some respect for their hard work and put a little effort into making some form of an argument

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

Hey Bryce,

You had mentioned to me on ICQ that the three main stats used in the goalie ratings were SV%, SH SV% and games played.

Ok... so I do have to question why some of the back-up tenders have ratings are better than Anderson's:

Craig Anderson's stats: 0.913 SV% overall; 0.898 SH SV% and 51 GPI with 49 games started

Brian Boucher's stats: 0.916 SV% overall; 0.861 SH SV% and 34 GPI with 29 games started
Devon Dubyk's stats: 0.916 SV% overall; 0.889 SH SV% and 35 GPI and 33 games started
Anders Lindback's stats: 0.915 SV% overall; 0.818 SH SV% and 22 GPI and 18 games started
Jonathan Bernier's stats: 0.913 SV% overall; 0.885 SH SV% and 25 GPI with 22 games started

Boucher and Dubnyk in particular have superior ratings to that of Anderson, and yet, as with Lindback and Bernier, posted only slightly better overall SV percentages, while Anderson clearly posted a better SH SV% (7th best for all tenders playing in 20 games or more) than all four. He also started in 20 games more and played in 17 more games overall than Boucher and 16 more games started in and played in than Dubnyk.

Anderson's ratings are similar to that of both Lindback's and Bernier's so something's a little off.

The main stat that all of the above tenders appear to be head and shoulders above Anderson was GAA: 2.42 for Boucher, 2.48 for Bernier, 2.60 for Lindback, and 2.71 for Dubnyk vs. 2.83 for Anderson, but you had also mentioned that while a factor for ratings, GAA was not a major one.

I don't have an issue with Anderson's ratings dropping, he clearly had a crappier season compared to the season before, but there appears to be a bit of a discrepancy with the tender ratings when Anderson, an NHL starter, has ratings that are on par with rookies that only played in 20 games.

Cheers,
-D