Intentional Tanking?

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Intentional Tanking?

BluesGM · Guru

Though Rob can defend himself, I should point out that we are nearing the Trade Deadline and its no surprise that Rob is a seller. Arguably, he wants to prevent injuries to his players so that they can be traded for more assets.

I should also add that Ottawa is 4-1-2 in the past 7 games, so if he is trying to tank, he's not doing a great job of it. Another thing is tanking has been done in the NHL (i.e. Pittsburgh and New Jersey trying to get Lemieux).

But honestly? This is something you should have brought up in private with Eric and Bryce, if they thought it was a problem, then they would talk with Rob rather making it public among the league.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Intentional tanking is a subject- Rob is an example. It's' obvious he's trying not to put the best team on the ice and I thought public forum for the subject would make it ensure everyone knew what the league's position is.

You see, the fact that he's tanking doesn't even mean he is doing something wrong until Eric and Bryce make a ruling. They may say, "There is no such thing as tanking as it is a paid league. Anyone can do whatever they want with their team". If it was a subject that we already knew was incorrect like loaning players of course I would bring it up in private because then they can deal with it. As I mentioned it hasn't been brought up that this is inappropriate so pointing out that someone is doing something that isn't necessarily wrong brings information to the league regarding their position.

I don't blame Rob, when I was aiming for last place the first year, I didn't tank with my lines but I definitely aimed to put the worst rated roster together I possibly could.

Also, While he is 4-1-2 in his last 7 we don't know his lines in those games. We only know his lines for the his last game (which he lost).

BluesGM · Guru

Again, if the league felt that Intentional tanking was a problem needed dealing with publicly, they should make that decision.

Sens · Guru

For one Luke if you have a problem with me or what I'm doing with my team bring it up Bryce or Eric or even me IN PRIVATE!

Two Gratton, Wellwood, and especially Staios are probably my most tradeable asset's at this point, I'm trying to protect those asset so I can try and move them, and guess what it happens in the NHL, sorry I can't fake an injury like the NHL teams do.

Three, why don't you look at other teams cause I'm not the only one trying to lose, but I don't bitch in public about those teams!

HOTLANTA · Guru

Are you kidding luke?? like being honest is this a joke??

Predsgm · Guru

sorry but i have to jump in and agree with luke here.

Even if you want to protect your assets... it doesnt mean they will not get hurt in the 4th line. they can get hurt at any point. so why not try and keep your lineup to the best possibly way to win... Who would want your players if you put them on your 4th line.

I agree this should be looked at and fixed this is a money league

Rumpy · Senior Member

Not going to lie I am intentionally trying to lose and rebuild a team but I can't do it to the degree the Sens and Calgary are. We choose different paths with our rebuild and altough I'd love to have a chance at a lottery pick it just isn't going to happen. I could have traded Lucic Ehrhoff Mueller Fehr for picks but I choose to keep those guys and will realistically pick in the 5 - 10 range. It's a pay league and just like Kirk George and Luke fight at the top Rob Eric and Kevin can fight it out to see who can suck the most to get JT.

PhoenixGM · Guru

Thanks for bringing this up Luke, it is a discussion that needs to happen and its important that everyone understand what the rules are.

Lets set a league policy on this and move on with the season.

BluesGM · Guru

PhoenixGM wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up Luke, it is a discussion that needs to happen and its important that everyone understand what the rules are.

Lets set a league policy on this and move on with the season.

I have no problem with setting a league policy about tanking, but in my opinion it should have been left to Eric and Bryce privately to discuss it rather than posting it up on the boards (where someone could potentially be offended by the accusations). The only thing I'm against is the way this was done, thought it should be private rather than public.

Sens · Guru

BluesGM wrote:

PhoenixGM wrote:

Thanks for bringing this up Luke, it is a discussion that needs to happen and its important that everyone understand what the rules are.

Lets set a league policy on this and move on with the season.

I have no problem with setting a league policy about tanking, but in my opinion it should have been left to Eric and Bryce privately to discuss it rather than posting it up on the boards (where someone could potentially be offended by the accusations). The only thing I'm against is the way this was done, thought it should be private rather than public.

For the record this is my issue with all of this as well, this could of easily of been handled privately or at the very least done with out naming my specific team, I could easily call out several other GM's for doing the same kind of thing, but don't feel that is the right way of handling things.

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

I personally have no probs with this.

He paid his cash, he is doing what he feels is the most important thing for him to do in his situation.

It should not matter to anyone else if he decides to tank or not.

There are no real crowds to please.

This is about Gming his team not his fans.

Hell if i had the chance I would do it to.

I think we in this league think we are so much better than everyone else sometimes we forget this is for cash and not necessarily for fun.

Eat or be eaten !

If anyone has a gripe it would be me !

But I do not.

If you are not in a position to get the number 1, then you have no gripes with this, " aka Buffalo and Atlanta ".

If you are scrapping for the number 1 pick, then you have your own little race as well and besides we have a lottery as well in place so there are no guarantees.

Rob, IMO , you wish to tank it, go for it !

If it is in the best interest of your paid franchise to help you make it back to the top quicker, then i see no harm doing this.

Like I said if we had real crowds to please, then of course not, but this is not the case.

If you're not playing for the cash, WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING FOR ?

We can all play for free anywhere.

This is a cash league guys SUCK IT UP !

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM on Monday 15th of March 2010 07:00:10 AM

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM on Monday 15th of March 2010 07:03:22 AM

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Here's a league stance and policy.

The salary floor & line rules in place serve as the only deterrant to tanking that their is and will be. As long as teams are compliant with those facets, the league will NOT interfere with the way that a GM does his lines/rosters.

Here's my personal opinion.

If you suck, you're stupid not to tank. If you're like LA who has good young assets in place, you're stupid to trade them to tank (which he hasn't).

Sabres_Luke · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

Here's a league stance and policy.

The salary floor & line rules in place serve as the only deterrant to tanking that their is and will be. As long as teams are compliant with those facets, the league will NOT interfere with the way that a GM does his lines/rosters.

Here's my personal opinion.

If you suck, you're stupid not to tank. If you're like LA who has good young assets in place, you're stupid to trade them to tank (which he hasn't).

Thank you! At least knowing everyone is on the same playing field.

Is it realistic? Absolutely not. Would a team sit their best players for the last third of the season? Never. Yes it is a paid league, but what is the NHL? A multi milliondollar industry and you still see them putting their best players on the ice. If everyone was NOT allowed to tank it would be just as fair as letting everyone while keeping the authenticity of the league. With that being said, I appreciate the final ruling even though it's not the same opinion as I would see. Good luck to all bottom feeders making your teams as horrible as possible lol.

Sens · Guru

" Would a team sit their best players for the last third of the season? Never."

Do you even watch hockey? Did you not see Poni in Toronto get sit down right before the deadline because he was getting traded? IF my players don't get traded then yes they will go back into the lineup and until then I'm protecting an asset something MANY NHL teams do!

-- Edited by Sens on Monday 15th of March 2010 12:55:55 PM