BRHL Top 40 goalies

BluesGM · Guru

RE: BRHL Top 40 goalies

Hawks_G · Guru

So what is Turco's excuse? 2.81 GAA and .898.

I am and many others are of the mind that SV % is a greater indicator of goalie success than GAA, and GP.

Conklin, 40GP, 2.51 GAA playing for who? With a .909 SV%?
Even Jesus Price with 2.83 GAA and .905 SV% in 52 games....
Kipper rated that high is a joke, he was terrible all year. 2.84 and .903.

Anderson as an example, 31 GP, was rated 3rd in SV%, 24 in GAA (Which is more of a team indicator).

Using Roloson as a good example, if a team has a crappy back up, and are unwilling to play him, why should his rating go up? Roloson played well, but GP isn't why his rating should be higher.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Unfortunately due to sample sizes varying for goalies so much, GP/DU is a big consideration throughout the ratings. It is the only real way to reflect who the starting goalies are in the NHL, and then the varying degree of their success.

Dont forget this is simply an order, and theres runs of like 7-8 goalies in a few instances who have the same averages, AND the averages vary.

This is pretty much why I was hesitant to post these up, its a very, roughshod look at the goalies. We're going to run numerous test sims for GMs to be active in to test things, so be patient.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Other things that have an effect (to varying degrees)

Shorthanded save%
Shootout save% (very small)

Hawks_G · Guru

Noted. I am not screaming at a major disservice on this, just it seems like an anomoly. There are some goalies that have obviously had poor years (Turco/Kipper) whose GP gave them ratings when that shouldn't have any effect. (The coach not liking his back up.)

In his defense, Anderson has been effectively marginalized when his performance in a relatively decent sample size shouldn't have him rated far worse than guys that had terrible years and played a bunch.

I am not suggesting he is a top 5 or top 10 goalie, but his numbers reflect a higher rating than where he ended up.

HOTLANTA · Guru

how hard is it to come in fresh 31 games and get a high save%.. also the backup goalie usually plays against crappy opposition another factor into why alot of backups have nice save%.. kipper/turco goalies like that, who play everynight deserve to have their endurance-durability come into effect on alot of category's as it is a very good way to seperate backup goalies to starters.. Turco/Kipper would DOMINATE a save% stat if they only had to play 31 games against the weaker teams in the league..

BluesGM · Guru

I disagree with Kirk's point about Anderson playing fresh against weaker opponents, Vokoun was either injured or struggling so Anderson had a long stretch of games where he was the starter... btw 17 of the 31 games he played in were against playoff teams...

I would disagree with the point about how Turco and Kipper would dominate if they only played in 31 games... it depends on how the team is playing and the opposition.... though both are good goalies in their own right, if they aren't playing well with a high GAA and low SV%, then no matter how many games they play, a struggling goalie should be reflected in his ratings...

HOTLANTA · Guru

Playing that many games in a season because the team knows your the best option everynight, would begin to tire out a goalie and wear them down which in turn could result in worse stats no??

Lundqvist is my favorite example his save% and GAA arent top 10 in NHL in either stat.. are you guys saying he shouldnt be a top 10 goalie?

BluesGM · Guru

I'm not saying that we should eliminate any influence that GP has upon ratings but once again I fail to see your point about Lundqvist....

There is a big difference between the SV% of Lundqvist (.916), Kiprusoff (.903) and Turco (.898)...

Though not ranked in the top ten (tied for 11th in SV%), the amount of games lundqvist has played makes his numbers even more impressive... he's played more than anyone in the top ten with the exception of backstrom... I'm more than happy to say that Lundqvist is one of the best goalies this season, he's the reason why the rangers made the playoffs... if you're looking for the reason why the stars missed out on the playoffs, look no further than turco...

HOTLANTA · Guru

see thats the hilarious part.. turco was the sole reason the were in any chance of a playoff run in febuary-march.. once their TEAM got ripped with injury's to richards-etc-etc their chances went downhill and they had to try and generate some offense thus letting their d-men pinch more and thus creating more scoring chances agaisnt, and with so many guys hurt the guys out their werent that good in front of turco.. save% is misleading imo, like backstrom has sick save% but alot of that is the team system, (check s.clemmenson- (nj plays dif style when marty in net)) how does that factor into our FHL ratings?? it doesnt.. Carey Price being hung out to dry behind one of the worst defense's in the last 5-7 yrs imo isnt ALL his fault....

Again turco is ranked like 20th best goalie, price 25th or something in those ranges,, im not saying they need to be higher as both had down years "stats" wise but if its looked at closer it wasnt all their fault..

but saying craig freakin anderson needs to become a better goalie than turco-kipper based off 31 games is hilarious imo..

capsgm · Senior Member

everyone calm down and just realize I actually have a goalie.

thanks

HOTLANTA · Guru

HAHA nice alex

BluesGM · Guru

HOTLANTA wrote:
turco was the sole reason the were in any chance of a playoff run in febuary-march..

I actually find this bit hilarious myself.... what about the months of October, November, December, January and April when he played ****e? should the 15-20 games he played in February and March should mean more just because he played in more games? The point is that had Anderson played in the same amount of games as Turco or Kipper, yes, his numbers would have suffered, but to suggest that by playing in more games he is a better goalie is insane... would i prefer turco over anderson as a franchise goalie? yes, but if i was basing it on this year stats, turco wasn't at his best and anderson was....

i was merely pointing out that I do agree that George has a good point about the relationship between ratings and GP... Florida had two capable goalies in anderson and vokoun, IMO it became a similar setup to minnesota when they had backstrom and roloson... these season numbers shown anderson to be a 1b goalie while turco's showed an adequate starter, had dallas have a solid backup like they had in smith before they traded him away, then you would have seen turco play less games....

i do accept alex's point that he has a goalie (quite a good one I should mention and would not object to taking him on my team biggrin )....

HOTLANTA · Guru

"but if i was basing it on this year stats, turco wasn't at his best and anderson was.... "

So for the brhl2 sths u think anderson should be rated as a better goalie?? even after saying.

"The point is that had Anderson played in the same amount of games as Turco or Kipper, yes, his numbers would have suffered"

capsgm · Senior Member

let's just say that, because Mason was a finalist for the Vezina this year in the NHL, he should (imo) be rated all 99's this upcoming year and have his contract set to minimum.

Well that, or leave him as is. I'm ok with either honestly.