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BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

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Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

Offensive ratings for defensemen seem to be fairly underwhelming. Is there no differentation between forwards and defense in terms of the ratings?

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

No there is no differentiating, otherwise you end up with dmen having 100 point seasons and outperforming their real life abilities by quite a bit.

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

The only problem with that is that it appears to devalue offensive defensemen a great deal; i.e. Mike Green with his current ratings has little more value than a 3rd line forward, using Brooks Laich on our roster as a for instance.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

one season Green had over 100 points, (not sure if its posted anywhere). Your offensive dmen ahve still been having stats that line up fairly closely to what they should be stat wise.

BluesGM · Guru

To be fair though, Green has one line of Ovechkin, Backstrom and Semin in the NHL, when Green is playing 82 games with Thornton, Lecavalier, Gaborik, Frolov, Dumont and a solid depth up front... a 100 point season from Green would be somewhat inconsistent with NHL, but considering the talent Chicago has, it wouldn't surprise me though....

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

actually on a points per game basis, it wouldnt be that out of line. His stats this season would equate to an 89 point season over 82 games

HOTLANTA · Guru

mike green sucks.

PhoenixGM · Guru

HOTLANTA wrote:

mike green sucks.

No way man, have you seen that mohawk!

chimoty · Senior Member

PhoenixGM wrote:

HOTLANTA wrote:

mike green sucks.

No way man, have you seen that mohawk!

FAUX-HAWK...the most ridiculous attempt at being cool

HOTLANTA · Guru

exactly cant have respect for him after that.. then u watch green battle in the corner and its is embarassing..

Anaheim GM · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

www.geocities.com/bnshuck/BRHL2Rosters.html

These are UNOFFICIAL but are getting close to finalized, there may be a few adjustments to formulas etc. But to give everyone a sneak preview of the files I am working with.

Any chance we can get a preview of the draftable rated guys (ie. Schenn, Doughty, Bogosian, Stamkos, Tikhonov, Sbisa...) If it is a lot of work, forget it, but if you have it and just need to cut and paste, I'd be interested in looking.

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

Not to keep flogging a dead horse, and this isn't because that we have three of the top offensive Dmen in the game, but I'm still curious about why the offensive ratings aren't adjusted for defense. I believe that it serves to devalue these types players.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if these ratings work the same way as the traditional FHL ratings that we're currently using, then the ratings in a given category as I understand it only mean a higher probability of something occuring; i.e., if Player A has a 75 SC and Player B has a 65 SC, then Player A has a higher probability of scoring in the sim than Player B does.

As we've seen in the sim, it's not a direct correlation as the player with the highest SC doesn't always get the most goals.

But because Player A has the higher rating, he has more value because the implication is that he'll perform better in the sim.

The problem with not adjusting the offensive ratings for defensemen is that because they don't score as often as a forward, their ratings are naturally going to be lower if it's a straight across comparison. And due to an obvious need for a baseline minumum rating, from the looks of things 45 SC and 47 PA, this de-values offensive defensemen because their isn't as big a separation from the baseline minimum from the top of the range. The top range for defense is 65 SC and 73 PA respectively (taking out both Green and Zubov as they aren't representative of the whole).

Compare this to the forwards that have a baseline of 45 and a top end of 98 for SC and PA respectively.

The perfect example is Jay Bouwmeester. He finished the NHL this season in the top 25 in scoring for defensemen and is generally coveted in the NHL for his offensive prowess. Yet he has a rating of 59 for both SC and PA, which puts him in same class of player as Peter Olvecky and Vladimir Sobotka for forwards in terms of offensive desireability.

The main problem is the lack of separation from the baseline that I mentioned. A grand total of 3 SC and 4 PA ratings points separates Nik Lidstrom from Jaro Spacek. Why would anyone pay a premium for Lidstrom when Spacek will suffice? How would a GM get value for Sheldon Souray when an Aaron Johnson is close enough ratings wise?

That's my two cents at any rate.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

I agree actually. Now, I understand you have a better chance of getting Kirk to put on a Flames Jersey than Bryce to change the ratings RIGHT after he's finished them but he's completely correct.

I was having a conversation with a hockey guru the other day about top 5 NHL Dman and how he thought Chara was the new #1 with Lidstrom next. That being said we were trying to agree on #3. We both came to the conclusion that while Mike Green is, like kirk said, not great defensively, his offensive dynamic moves him to the 3rd best Dman in the league. (Debate this or not he's still undoubtedly top 7). Keeping this in mind I garanteed that Mike Green won't sim like a top 7 dman, or really even close...why? Because the offensive Dman ratings equalize everyone.

Mike Green is the most dynamic offensively in the who league from the back end and it wont show up where as Malkin, AO, and Crosby will and they're the most dynamic offensive forwards.

Hawks_G · Guru

Totally agreed. Mike Green with his 72 SC as a dman with 31 goals in 68 games as opposed to Doan as a forward with 31 goals in 82 games showing up with a 76 SC means something is out of whack.

Green should be off the charts for offensive categories for dmen.

And if DU is durability...our own Gaborik shouldn't be 90....lol