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In the BRHL2 rules it says:

D. The NHL instituted a Entry Draft re-alignment for teams that move further on in the playoffs. The BRHL2 will adopt this rule as well. (NOTE: I'm trying to find an example online, but haven't been able to yet. This will be added shortly).

In the wikipedia entry for NHL Entry Draft it says:

Draft order
Draft order in the Entry Draft is determined by a combination of lottery, regular season standing, and playoff results. In all cases, the team considered is the original holder of the draft pick, not a team which may have acquired the pick via a trade or other means.

Draft lottery
At the conclusion of the regular season, the 14 NHL teams not qualifying for the playoffs are entered in a weighted lottery to determine the initial draft picks in each round, seeded according to regular season standing. The 30th-place team has a 25% chance of winning the lottery, with odds diminishing to a 0.5% chance for the 17th-place team. A single selection from the lottery pool is made, with the winning team eligible to improve its draft order by up to four places, and no team eligible to drop more than one place. Only the 26th- through 30th-place teams, then, are eligible to receive the first draft pick. Consequently, the 30th-place team's chance of retaining the first overall pick (as opposed to winning the lottery outright) improves to 48.2%.

Draft order for playoff teams

The remaining draft picks are ordered at the conclusion of the Stanley Cup playoffs. The newly-crowned Stanley Cup champion is awarded the 30th and last pick, and the runner-up the 29th pick. The teams eliminated in the conference finals are awarded the 28th and 27th picks, with the 28th pick going to the team with the better regular season record. Remaining division winners are next ranked starting at the 26th pick, and wild card participants are ranked to fill the balance. In both cases, better records result in later picks.

So in the BRHL2, is the following true?

1. For BRHL2 Non-Playoff Teams - BRHL2 non-playoff teams are linked in order to NHL non-playoff teams (i.e. if Anaheim is 6th worst non-playoff team in BRHL2 and Toronto is 6th worth non-playoff team in NHL, wherever Toronto ends up picking in the NHL draft, that is what Anaheim gets as well (i.e. Toronto wins the lottery and moves into second, Anaheim would do the same in BRHL2

2. For BRHL2 Playoff Teams - No link to NHL teams, but applies the NHL rule.  So if Buffalo wins the BRHL2 cup against Colorado, Buffalo would pick 30th, Colorado would pick 29th...  Semi-final losers would pick 27 and 28th (worst of two records gets 27th)...  Remaining division winners are next ranked starting at the 26th pick (based on best records.  Remaining teams are ranked to fill the balance. In both cases, better records result in later picks.



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Just like when changing player positions...Wikipedia is not a reliable source

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chimoty wrote:

Just like when changing player positions...Wikipedia is not a reliable source


Ok - then how about this (which says the same thing):

http://www.nhlscap.com/draft.htm



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Here is how I understand it based on current standings:

1Non-Playoff TeamPittsburgh
2Non-Playoff TeamTampaBay
3Non-Playoff TeamNYIslander
4Non-Playoff TeamNashville
5Non-Playoff TeamAnaheim
6Non-Playoff TeamNewJersey
7Non-Playoff TeamOttawa
8Non-Playoff TeamVancouver
9Non-Playoff TeamPhoenix
10Non-Playoff TeamWashington
11Non-Playoff TeamColumbus
12Non-Playoff TeamLosAngeles
13Non-Playoff TeamFlorida
14Non-Playoff TeamDetroit
15 - 30Playoff Team (worst record)Boston
Playoff TeamMontreal
Playoff TeamEdmonton
Playoff TeamCalgary
Playoff TeamSt.Louis
Playoff TeamDallas
Playoff TeamCarolina
Playoff TeamToronto
Playoff TeamNYRangers
Playoff Team (best record)Minnesota
Division Winner (worst record)SanJose
Division WinnerPhilly
Division Winner Atlanta
Division Winner Colorado
Division WinnerChicago
Division Winner (best record)Buffalo
Semi-Final Loser (lower record)
Semi-Final Loser (better record)
BRHL2 Cup Loser
BRHL2 Cup Winner

If Dallas won the BRHL2 Cup against, Philly and Atlanta and San Jose were the semi-final losers, the draft order would change to (not factoring in the lottery):

1Non-Playoff TeamPittsburgh
2Non-Playoff TeamTampaBay
3Non-Playoff TeamNYIslander
4Non-Playoff TeamNashville
5Non-Playoff TeamAnaheim
6Non-Playoff TeamNewJersey
7Non-Playoff TeamOttawa
8Non-Playoff TeamVancouver
9Non-Playoff TeamPhoenix
10Non-Playoff TeamWashington
11Non-Playoff TeamColumbus
12Non-Playoff TeamLosAngeles
13Non-Playoff TeamFlorida
14Non-Playoff TeamDetroit
15Playoff Team (worst record)Boston
16Playoff TeamMontreal
17Playoff TeamEdmonton
18Playoff TeamCalgary
19Playoff TeamSt.Louis
20Playoff TeamCarolina
21Playoff TeamToronto
22Playoff TeamNYRangers
23Playoff Team (best record)Minnesota
24Division Winner (worst record)Colorado
25Division WinnerChicago
26Division Winner (best record)Buffalo
27Semi-Final Loser (lower record)SanJose
28Semi-Final Loser (better record)Atlanta
29BRHL2 Cup LoserPhilly
30BRHL2 Cup WinnerDallas



-- Edited by Anaheim GM on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 11:13:02 AM

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Without checking so I could certainly be wrong but isnt our draft lottery system written out in the rules section??

Although I'm not sure why you are too worried you will obviously have a top 5 lottery pick with sitting Gerber and having Tomas Popperle (55OV) as your starting goalie!

Can we get a discussion going on a rule against tanking???

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Yes, the lottery system is in the rules...  It's the second part (playoff teams) that isn't written in there.

And Rob, as for Popperele...  I don't see it being any different than our own commish using Chad Painchaud (2nd line, 52 OV), Mike Morris (3rd line, 53 OV) and Karill Starkov (3rd line, 53 OV) over higher rated guys he's got in the minors.  Maybe Bouck, Balej and Thelen should get a call-up? biggrin  If it wasn't for the floor, I wouldn't even have Gerber or Lidstrom on my team. 


Sens wrote:

Without checking so I could certainly be wrong but isnt our draft lottery system written out in the rules section??

Although I'm not sure why you are too worried you will obviously have a top 5 lottery pick with sitting Gerber and having Tomas Popperle (55OV) as your starting goalie!

Can we get a discussion going on a rule against tanking???



 



-- Edited by Anaheim GM on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 01:27:00 PM

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I would also like to add Rob, that many teams when out of the playoffs will call on their younger troops from the minors to get an idea where they are in their progress against NHL competition. Playing for jobs next year so to speak.


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Yes, the lottery system is in the rules...  It's the second part (playoff teams) that isn't written in there.

And Rob, as for Popperele...  I don't see it being any different than our own commish using Chad Painchaud (2nd line, 52 OV), Mike Morris (3rd line, 53 OV) and Karill Starkov (3rd line, 53 OV) over higher rated guys he's got in the minors.  Maybe Bouck, Balej and Thelen should a call-up? biggrin  If it wasn't for the floor, I wouldn't even have Gerber or Lidstrom on my team. 




 



 



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The players that Eric could bring up are BARELY better then what he already has in the line up a far cry from having a 78 OV back up compared to your 55 OV starter!

Anaheim GM wrote:

Yes, the lottery system is in the rules...  It's the second part (playoff teams) that isn't written in there.

And Rob, as for Popperele...  I don't see it being any different than our own commish using Chad Painchaud (2nd line, 52 OV), Mike Morris (3rd line, 53 OV) and Karill Starkov (3rd line, 53 OV) over higher rated guys he's got in the minors.  Maybe Bouck, Balej and Thelen should get a call-up? biggrin  If it wasn't for the floor, I wouldn't even have Gerber or Lidstrom on my team. 


Sens wrote:

Without checking so I could certainly be wrong but isnt our draft lottery system written out in the rules section??

Although I'm not sure why you are too worried you will obviously have a top 5 lottery pick with sitting Gerber and having Tomas Popperle (55OV) as your starting goalie!

Can we get a discussion going on a rule against tanking???



 



-- Edited by Anaheim GM on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 01:27:00 PM

 



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to be fair, i looked at anaheim's previous 9 games... gerber went 0-3-0, letting in 13 goals before rob gave popperle 7 straight starts.... for a team like anaheim, he's done a decent job going 2-4-1... granted i wouldn't have played him that long without putting in gerber, and i definitely would have played him in the game against phoenix as popperle's CD is quite low....

if anaheim can't win with gerber, i can understand him wanting to try popperle in net for kicks or if gerber needs a rest... but we can't tell him how to run his team... it's happened with lemieux in the nhl, both pittsburgh and new jersey "tanked" their seasons in an attempt to get him...

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In my understanding of all that has been discussed in previous topics and how we did it in previous years.

2. For BRHL2 Playoff Teams - No link to NHL teams, but applies the NHL rule. So if Buffalo wins the BRHL2 cup against Colorado, Buffalo would pick 30th, Colorado would pick 29th... Semi-final losers would pick 27 and 28th (worst of two records gets 27th)... Remaining division winners are next ranked starting at the 26th pick (based on best records. Remaining teams are ranked to fill the balance. In both cases, better records result in later picks.


As for tanking. There is no specific rule against it, but in my eyes it's not encouraged.

As far as my team goes, the lineup is 99.9% based on the cheapest team I can field so I'm not wasting more money on them. Purely an economic decision.

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This is mainly directed at our commishes, but others may be interested...

We should be completely finished the BRHL2 season before April 14 at 8pm EST.  Why you ask?  Well, this is the date that the NHL is holding its draft lottery.  Since this directly impacts our draft, it would be prudent to finish our schedule to avoid issues of guys playing with the rosters to potentially get a more favourable draft position because of the lottery result. 

There only 7 sim nights left without skipping any nights before 8pm on April 14.  There are a full 11 days left of the schedule, however, so it looks like we might need to double up a couple nights.

Two possible schedules to wrap up the season:

Option 1
Tuesday, April 7 - day 141
Wednesday, April 8 - days 142 / 143
Thursday, April 9 - days 144 / 145
Friday, April 10 - day 146
Saturday, April 11 - day 147
Sunday, April 12 - days 148 / 149
Monday, April 13 - days 150 / 151

Option 2
Tuesday, April 7 - day 141
Wednesday, April 8 - day 142
Thursday, April 9 - day 143
Friday, April 10 - day 144
Saturday, April 11 (A.M.) - day 145
Saturday, April 11 (P.M.) - day 146
Sunday, April 12 (A.M.) - day 147
Sunday, April 12 (P.M.) - day 148
Monday, April 13 - day 149
Tuesday, April 14 (before 8pm EST) - days 150 / 151



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sounds like something to look into further.. im driving now ill post when i get back home my thoughts... interesting thoughts Rob

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only problem i see is that it involves simming twice on a saturday (something eric doesn't do normally)....

i would agree that Day 150 should be done by the 14th as Philly vs Tampa (only matchup on Day 151) would not effect the standings that much in my opinion...

I would suggest:
Tuesday, April 7th - day 141
Wednesday, April 8th - day 142/143 [Detroit and Carolina play both days]
Thursday, April 9th - day 144/145 [Nashville, NYI, NYR and Ottawa play both days]
Friday, April 10th - day 146
Saturday April 11th - day 147
Sunday April 12th 148 [Or a double sim of Days 147/48 where Carolina and Colorado play both days]
Monday, April 13th - day 149
Tuesday, April 14th - day 150
Wednesday, April 15th - day 151

Granted my option is tough on Carolina, but as they're 8 points up on 7th place, it only affects their push to get into 5th (3 points behind with a game in hand)...

If you get the permission of the teams affected, I don't see a problem with adopting a fast track end to the season...

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i agree with this stuff rob has said we must wrap up our year before they do the lottery, heck we dont wanna see gerber miracle pull out a win and rob move higher in our standings only looking to get the "seed" that got lucky in nhl..



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Well we know Gerber won't be pulling any miracles for the Ducks in this league as an even worse goalie the Popperle has been called up to play!

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