Restricted Free Agent Compensation

Anaheim GM · Guru

Restricted Free Agent Compensation

HOTLANTA · Guru

i was going to ask but thanx :)

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Good point.

I would say that if th team owns their own 1st rounder that pick goes. If not, then the team losingthe playr would eb able to pick which pick he gets.

HOTLANTA · Guru

ohh brutal wouldnt the team giving up the pick get to choose the pick it sends?? this crushes me :( :( lol...

Anaheim GM · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

Good point.

I would say that if th team owns their own 1st rounder that pick goes. If not, then the team losingthe playr would eb able to pick which pick he gets.

That would seem perfectly fair...

BluesGM · Guru

sounds fair to me... pretty sure someone is going to be offering a hefty salary to suter

PhoenixGM · Guru

From last year:

http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=85830&p=3&topicID=13201479

Doesn't really solve anything I don't think...

HOTLANTA · Guru

bryce are we going by last year where the team giving the pick got to choose or the team that is loosing the rfa choose??

Rumpy · Senior Member

BryceBruins wrote:

Good point.

I would say that if th team owns their own 1st rounder that pick goes. If not, then the team losingthe playr would eb able to pick which pick he gets.

Doesn't this type of rule only help the rich get richer? A team like me who has multiple first rounders and is well below the cap could make a pretty good offer but there is no way I would give up my own first rounder. On the flip side a team like Atl or Phi who are well below the cap and have their own pick can make an offer and only worry about losing like the 20 - 30 th OV pick.

Just throwing that idea out there.

Anaheim GM · Guru

In the end it is up to the team who owns the rights to the restricted free agent to decide to either accept the compensation or sign the player.

However, I do agree there is a bigger issue at play:

Q. Can two teams offer the same RFA the same amount of money, or does the second bidder have to increase the bid? For example, say Atlanta offers a player $2,999,999 - can Anaheim then go and offer $2,999,999?

The team holding the rights may not want the Atlanta pick as compensation (as it will likely be late in the round). However, they may very well want to the Anaheim pick (as it will likely be very early).

If a second team is not allowed to match an offer made by another team, it could really ties the hands of teams that are expecting to finish lower in the standings.  As they would be increasing the bid substantially.

In my example, if Atlanta bid $2,999,999, compensation would be a 2nd rounder (51-60th overall pick for the sake of argument). If Anaheim couldn't make the same bid, the extra money would result in a 1st round pick as compensation (for the sake of argument, 1st - 10th overall).

I suppose the team holding the rights to the player could trade him to Anaheim for its 2nd round pick (31-40th overall), then Anaheim could refuse the compensation from Anaheim by signing the player for the $2,999,999 offer sheet... So perhaps there really isn't an issue afterall...

Just a few thoughts.

Rumpy wrote:

BryceBruins wrote:

Good point.

I would say that if th team owns their own 1st rounder that pick goes. If not, then the team losingthe playr would eb able to pick which pick he gets.

Doesn't this type of rule only help the rich get richer? A team like me who has multiple first rounders and is well below the cap could make a pretty good offer but there is no way I would give up my own first rounder. On the flip side a team like Atl or Phi who are well below the cap and have their own pick can make an offer and only worry about losing like the 20 - 30 th OV pick.

Just throwing that idea out there.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Tams would have to increase the bid to up a bid. Now working on side deals like matching and flipping he guy is perfectly legal, and in many cases a smar route to go for teams not planning on matching.

As far as he rich getting richer, it is set up like the NHL, well even more lenient, there you have to have all of your own picks to even make an offer. Here we give you the wiggle room.

HOTLANTA · Guru

but my question wasnt answered in my case i have 3 first NONE of which are my own.. obviously no chance i make any RFA offers involving the Pitts 1st (stamkos) and CLB 1st (likely top 5) because each pick carry's more value than any rfa player their is... if the team OFFERING the contract gets to decide which first it sends as compensation it only makes sense no??

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

No it doesn't. You make an RFA offer and don't have your own pick, the team losing he player gets to pick which first rounder it is.

And I'm prety sure you are forgetting NYI as a putrid team, thats where #1 will go.

Anaheim GM · Guru

Your question was answered by Bryce...

The team entitled to compensation gets to pick which pick it wants.

HOTLANTA wrote:

but my question wasnt answered in my case i have 3 first NONE of which are my own.. obviously no chance i make any RFA offers involving the Pitts 1st (stamkos) and CLB 1st (likely top 5) because each pick carry's more value than any rfa player their is... if the team OFFERING the contract gets to decide which first it sends as compensation it only makes sense no??

Rumpy · Senior Member

BryceBruins wrote:

Tams would have to increase the bid to up a bid. Now working on side deals like matching and flipping he guy is perfectly legal, and in many cases a smar route to go for teams not planning on matching.

As far as he rich getting richer, it is set up like the NHL, well even more lenient, there you have to have all of your own picks to even make an offer. Here we give you the wiggle room.

Makes sense and that is a fair assesment.

Guess I'll just have to make sure I'm on-line to get my bids in first haha.