2008 BRHL2 Entry Draft Results

chimoty · Senior Member

RE: 2008 BRHL2 Entry Draft Results

Rumpy · Senior Member

Sabres_Luke wrote:

So I went through the first 5 rounds of the draft and here's an example of 5 more "fellow GMs" breaking or bending the rules:
25. Anaheim (from Detroit) Fabian Brunnstrom
54. New Jersey (from SanJose) Ville Leino
86. Calgary (from Colorado) Antti Niemi
96. NewJersey Jonas Frogren
106. Boston (from Montreal) Jack Hilen
Section VII B of the rules:
"Moreover, any player that has signed as an undrafted free agent with an NHL team during the PAST YEAR (not during that years NHL off-season) is also eligible to be drafted."

I'm sure there are more picks that fall into this ruling in the draft.

Well i see this as pretty black and white compared to what I have been reading here. Sorry Luke but if those 3 guys were all drafted in 08 you should have to forfiet your picks or just make 3 now and definately not recieve comp picks next year.

The Brunnstrum Niemi drafting is totally legal from what I understand and I guess for a guy looking for a loophole you should add NHL season including playoffs the european offseason is a pretty weak excuse.

For the last part about who is draft eligable I agree to an extent with what others are saying but if Luke and some other GM's are really "that good" guys like Brunnstrom and Tikhinov would have been picked last year. If a GM is good enough or smart enough to take these guys who are draft eligible before an NHL team owns his rights all the power to them.

But in a case with Tikhinov where he went undrafted for two years but then was picked and people all of a sudden want him they should be required to wait until the year he was took in the NHL draft.

That's my two cents and I don't really see the fuss Luke should also lose Gragani or who he illegially drafted last year too and put him in the UFA pool. Luke by the looks of things has found many hidden gems in the draft but living by the sword you have to die by it too and I think overall he would still have a great track record in the draft doing what he does.

Tyler

Calgary GM · Senior Member

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Calgary GM wrote:

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Long was eligible for this draft year. I put birthdates by the players names so that I know who's eligible and who isn't. I don't pay attention to the NHL draft past the 1st round or 2 and Flames picks until it comes time to do it in BRHL2.

Players with birthdays falling between Sept 16, 1988 and Sept 15, 1989 are eligible for the 2007 entry draft.

Colin Long's birthday is June 19, 1989 so he definitely was 2007 eligible.

Honestly I'm sorry if I bent or broke the rules and I know negligence isn't a very good excuse but it's the only one that can explain it and it's the truth. Tikhonov was a different case as he was passed over 2 years in a row and I discussed with Eric if a player experienced this if he was elgibile and he said yes before he ultimately said no when I picked him.

These aren't like 1st or 2nd round guys that are in the limelight, these are 5th, 6th, 7th rounders that slid under the radar and if 30 guys didnt catch it last night how am I to blame for not catchin it either?

Once again sorry for the error but it was an honest mistake based off of birthdates of these players.

Well, I suggest that you sort the players according to draft year, not birthdates, because birthdates mean nothing. And, apparently, this issue (or one very similar) came up last year so there should be no excuse for it to come up again. But, whatever, I'll live with whatever they higher ups decide.

I do sort by draft year!!!!

The thing is whether they are eligible is contingent upon the fact that they are actually drafted at year later.

AKA Tikonov was eligible to be drafted LAST year in brhl2 entry draft but not this year because he was drafted this year.

So basically I rank at least 20-30 overages who have skill and I don't even realize some are drafted making them ineligible.

What I should have done was make sure those 30 players all werent drafted but I didn't even think I was going to make the draft last night because of business and prior commitments. All I had coming into the draft was a spreadsheet from numerous hours of research that obviously wasn't quite complete.

Forgive me for being too through but not through enough at the same time. What actually bothers me in this situation is those who call for my head on the board ect and have no tolerance. I've been in this league since it's inception and quite frankly I have a crystal clean record of how I communicate with other GMs, how i communicate and deal with issues with the Commishes, my attitude on the board, my hours doing things above and beyond for the league, and my activity in the league. If that sounds buy me an ounce of respect or tolerance then I don't know why anyone would think about committing as much time as I have to a league.

Well, obviously I meant what year they were actually drafted in to the NHL, not the year they were eligible to be drafted. I don't see what the big deal is, to me, it's pretty cut and dry. And, like I said before, if this was tried last year and failed, there's no excuse for a repeat performance this year, NONE! But, obviously, Galiardi fell threw the cracks.

Anaheim GM · Guru

Luke and all...

To me this issue is pretty simple... I'd refer you to Articles 8 and 10 of the CBA: http://www.nhlpa.com/CBA/index.asp

Fabian Brunnstrom, Ville Leino, Antti Niemi, Jonas Frogren, etc... were 22 years of age or over and were therefore eligible to be signed by NHL clubs as unrestricted free agents...

The guys Luke attempted to draft could never have been signed as unrestricted free agents because they either (1) were not 21 or older and played 1 year in North America when they were 18, 19 or 20; or (2) were 22 or older...

Therefore, the only way they could possible enter the NHL is through the draft, or by waiting until they meet the age requirements to be signed as unrestricted free agents...

Now that I've clear that up, let's shut this thread down and let Eric or Bryce make a ruling...

-- Edited by Anaheim GM at 15:11, 2008-08-19

Hawks_G · Guru

I fully endorse a Central Registry. I always have. All players drafted in the draft year plus eligible submissions by the GMs in a Submssion period of two weeks.

That way this B.S. doesn't happen. The NHL (which again is what we are trying to model after) has one so there is no reason why we shouldn't do the same.

Anaheim GM · Guru

Hawks_G wrote:

I fully endorse a Central Registry. I always have. All players drafted in the draft year plus eligible submissions by the GMs in a Submssion period of two weeks.

That way this B.S. doesn't happen. The NHL (which again is what we are trying to model after) has one so there is no reason why we shouldn't do the same.

It would certainly save me from having to do so much research!

-- Edited by Anaheim GM at 16:11, 2008-08-19

Hawks_G · Guru

Hey I have advantages too. I do lots of research and know lots about prospects.....it shouldn't necessarily be the guy finding the guy that no one has heard of...maybe more about picking the right guy out of the crowd.

If the guys are too against that, allow one overage signing to each team per season and call it a wash.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Personally I think its fine how it is now that I understand it more and realize I need to cross reference guys that WERE eligible for the 2007 draft with the 2008 draft before our draft date.

Any addition to the system we have would only be more work. My bad, I'll pay whatever price Eric and Bryce see fit and then I won't let it happen again and I think you can all attest to that as I'm quite diligent.

Hawks_G · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Personally I think its fine how it is now that I understand it more and realize I need to cross reference guys that WERE eligible for the 2007 draft with the 2008 draft before our draft date.

Any addition to the system we have would only be more work. My bad, I'll pay whatever price Eric and Bryce see fit and then I won't let it happen again and I think you can all attest to that as I'm quite diligent.

It is something I have pushed for in every league. Why wouldn't we try to emulate the NHL and have a registered list of players available? That is what the NHL does.

The only thing it does is provide competitive advantage to certain GMs, and the advantage should be scouting, not research.

Pesonen is a good example....we all knew about Pesonen. You figure he is worth a first rounder. We did not or we would have made our trade after the player we wanted was gone. That is good scouting by you if he turns out.

philly · Guru

Hawks_G wrote:

Hey I have advantages too. I do lots of research and know lots about prospects.....it shouldn't necessarily be the guy finding the guy that no one has heard of...maybe more about picking the right guy out of the crowd.

agree completely

-- Edited by philly at 16:46, 2008-08-19

HOTLANTA · Guru

HOTLANTA wrote:

i think the league will make decision on matter were all blabbing for nothing but its clear to me after trying it last year with David Perron, it wasnt a mistake or honest mistake again for 2nd straight year..

Also i agree with Garrett-George their should be a database we all have to choose from..

capsgm · Senior Member

bobby hughes is Washington property.

PhoenixGM · Guru

The solutions is simple, we remove any illegally drafted players (this year AND last) from their rosters and they can be drafted next year...

We fine anyone who drafted more than 1 illegal player (one, can be a mistake...)...

For next year, we make a central registry to avoid this BS.

Steve

philly · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:
What actually bothers me in this situation is those who call for my head on the board ect and have no tolerance. I've been in this league since it's inception and quite frankly I have a crystal clean record of how I communicate with other GMs, how i communicate and deal with issues with the Commishes, my attitude on the board, my hours doing things above and beyond for the league, and my activity in the league. If that sounds buy me an ounce of respect or tolerance then I don't know why anyone would think about committing as much time as I have to a league.

Iginla, Brodeur, etc... did you think we'd all juist forget Luke???

DO NOT PLAY THE HOLIER THAN THOU CARD. THATS COMPLETE BS.

Moderator · Newbie

We all know what has happened and most have had a chance to have there say, I think it is time to lock the thread let Eric and Bryce decide and leave it at!