2008 BRHL2 Entry Draft Results

Sabres_Luke · Guru

RE: 2008 BRHL2 Entry Draft Results

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Now with that post above, Im not trying to start a fight or anything with any of you. I'm simply pointing out how easy it is for a GM to miss a minor detail such as these or the errors I've made.

Multiple GMs are making these errors and perhaps a grandfathering in of a simpler rule is needed.

Personally I think this is a good time to institute a change in the rules that says something as simple as "Players born on or before Sept 15, 1990 are eligible for the 2009 BRHL2 Entry draft.

Makes it so much easier for Bryce, Eric, Gms, and its logical - at least to me it is.

-- Edited by Sabres_Luke at 12:31, 2008-08-19

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Calgary GM wrote:

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Long was eligible for this draft year. I put birthdates by the players names so that I know who's eligible and who isn't. I don't pay attention to the NHL draft past the 1st round or 2 and Flames picks until it comes time to do it in BRHL2.

Players with birthdays falling between Sept 16, 1988 and Sept 15, 1989 are eligible for the 2007 entry draft.

Colin Long's birthday is June 19, 1989 so he definitely was 2007 eligible.

Honestly I'm sorry if I bent or broke the rules and I know negligence isn't a very good excuse but it's the only one that can explain it and it's the truth. Tikhonov was a different case as he was passed over 2 years in a row and I discussed with Eric if a player experienced this if he was elgibile and he said yes before he ultimately said no when I picked him.

These aren't like 1st or 2nd round guys that are in the limelight, these are 5th, 6th, 7th rounders that slid under the radar and if 30 guys didnt catch it last night how am I to blame for not catchin it either?

Once again sorry for the error but it was an honest mistake based off of birthdates of these players.

Well, I suggest that you sort the players according to draft year, not birthdates, because birthdates mean nothing. And, apparently, this issue (or one very similar) came up last year so there should be no excuse for it to come up again. But, whatever, I'll live with whatever they higher ups decide.

I do sort by draft year!!!!

The thing is whether they are eligible is contingent upon the fact that they are actually drafted at year later.

AKA Tikonov was eligible to be drafted LAST year in brhl2 entry draft but not this year because he was drafted this year.

So basically I rank at least 20-30 overages who have skill and I don't even realize some are drafted making them ineligible.

What I should have done was make sure those 30 players all werent drafted but I didn't even think I was going to make the draft last night because of business and prior commitments. All I had coming into the draft was a spreadsheet from numerous hours of research that obviously wasn't quite complete.

Forgive me for being too through but not through enough at the same time. What actually bothers me in this situation is those who call for my head on the board ect and have no tolerance. I've been in this league since it's inception and quite frankly I have a crystal clean record of how I communicate with other GMs, how i communicate and deal with issues with the Commishes, my attitude on the board, my hours doing things above and beyond for the league, and my activity in the league. If that sounds buy me an ounce of respect or tolerance then I don't know why anyone would think about committing as much time as I have to a league.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Sorry. Double post.

-- Edited by Sabres_Luke at 12:31, 2008-08-19

HOTLANTA · Guru

is this luke or aaron???

HOTLANTA · Guru

i think its obvious ur spinning pretty hard with the ammount of posts man...

-- Edited by HOTLANTA at 12:37, 2008-08-19

Sens · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:

So I went through the first 5 rounds of the draft and here's an example of 5 more "fellow GMs" breaking or bending the rules:
25. Anaheim (from Detroit) Fabian Brunnstrom (signed May 8)
54. New Jersey (from SanJose) Ville Leino (signed May 10)
86. Calgary (from Colorado) Antti Niemi (signed May 5)
96. NewJersey Jonas Frogren (was signed during the off season)
106. Boston (from Montreal) Jack Hilen (signed April 1)
Section VII B of the rules:
"Moreover, any player that has signed as an undrafted free agent with an NHL team during the PAST YEAR (not during that years NHL off-season) is also eligible to be drafted."

I'm sure there are more picks that fall into this ruling in the draft.

4 of the 5 players you have listed signed with there NHL team during the season and not during the off season so they are fine.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Sens wrote:

Sabres_Luke wrote:

So I went through the first 5 rounds of the draft and here's an example of 5 more "fellow GMs" breaking or bending the rules:
25. Anaheim (from Detroit) Fabian Brunnstrom (signed May 8)
54. New Jersey (from SanJose) Ville Leino (signed May 10)
86. Calgary (from Colorado) Antti Niemi (signed May 5)
96. NewJersey Jonas Frogren (was signed during the off season)
106. Boston (from Montreal) Jack Hilen (signed April 1)
Section VII B of the rules:
"Moreover, any player that has signed as an undrafted free agent with an NHL team during the PAST YEAR (not during that years NHL off-season) is also eligible to be drafted."

I'm sure there are more picks that fall into this ruling in the draft.

4 of the 5 players you have listed signed with there NHL team during the season and not during the off season so they are fine.

All signings were made during European offseason. Theres a window these contracts have to be signed so they are always going to be during the end of the playoffs. This is still offseason signings.

Sens · Guru

Since when do we run the league based on the European off season??

-- Edited by Sens at 12:55, 2008-08-19

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Sens wrote:

Since when do we run the league based on the European off season??

All I was saying is that the offseason hasnt exactly been defined. Technically its when a team is no longer playing. Some teams offseasons are longer than others.

Either way my point is just that my mistake was just as honest as some of these others.

Sens · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Sens wrote:

Since when do we run the league based on the European off season??

All I was saying is that the offseason hasnt exactly been defined. Technically its when a team is no longer playing. Some teams offseasons are longer than others.

Either way my point is just that my mistake was just as honest as some of these others.

All the signing were made during the playoffs or end of the regular season and last time I checked that was still considered part of the NHL season which is what we work off of.

All our stats are based on NHL numbers and this is an NHL fantasy league, I'm not saying it wasn't an honest mistake I'm just saying I have no problem with 4 of the 5 draft picks because the were signed during the NHL season.

HOTLANTA · Guru

i think the league will make decision on matter were all blabbing for nothing but its clear to me after trying it last year with David Perron, it wasnt a mistake or honest mistake again for 2nd straight year..

GarrettLeafs · Senior Member

Perhaps in future we post all players who are eligible to be drafted? The NHL uses its central registry to avoid just these exact issues. All players must clear the registry, and all teams have access to this database of players that are legal to be draft.

In several other leagues i'm in, all draft eligible players are listed on message board and websites weeks in advance to provide a complete list to all teams so that there are no issues with eligibility come draft day. If a player isn't on the list, he can't be draft. Makes it simple in my opinion.

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

Not to wade into an already contentious topic that has yet to be ruled upon, but I noticed the same thing in the prep prior to the draft when I noticed that T.J. Galiardi on the Sabres prospects roster even though he was supposed to be a part of this draft.

In all of the other leagues that I have been a part of, the easiest deliniation of eligability has been whether or not the prospect is property of an NHL team. If the prospect is not, then they are ineligable to be drafted, simple as that. This eliminates all other mitigating factors such as birthdates, etc. Not owned by an NHL team, you can't draft him.

My 2 cents.

HOTLANTA · Guru

i agree with dave 100% and noticed the galairdi thing aswell..