Let me clarify this whole thing for you guys.

Reason for doing this was so I could do one of two things,

bolster my defence because I was lacking that one key dman on my top end,

or possibly make a move with Jovo to acquire a pretty decent C to play on one of my top two lines.

As for Luke's argument it is really quite simple as to why i ended up losing Jovo in the UFA but ended up paying somewhat for him afterwards.

My old comp went down in the middle of UFA at which time Kirk was leading the Jovo stakes. I was waiting on the Koivu deal to resolve itself before making a final pitch at Jovo as cap was a problem. As you notice my last post for some time was Sept 10th 829pm. An hour later my comp was in the shop.

Old comp was scrapped in favour of a new up to date dual core but unfortunately before I was able to get on the comp to make more bids both Koivu had been lost due to a brainless error on my part and then I lost Jovo as well as I was not back on the comp for at least 3 days i think it was. My next actual post was the 14th.

Hence when Kirk offered me Jovo I had he cap room to take him. Originally I was nt gonna make a move with him because I did not want to loose Caputi but when i convinced him to look after the fine for trading Lukowich I had to do what I considered to be best for the team at this time.

Now Luke if you wish to move me one of your top 3 C for Jovo, we can certainly talk.  I am all ears.

I like how my Oilers came out on this deal as well. Yes Savard is IMO a superior player to Hartnell but Savard is a UFA, so is Biron and I would only be able to keep one. Most other offers I had for Savard were....a 2nd Some other very underpar trades but in Hartnell I get a 7 year player who is only in his mid 20's. He's a 25+ scorer who plays a very physical style. Im quite happy

Lots of peices, but finally got my #1. Feel fortunate I didn't have to get rid of carter to get it done- though I did give up a bunch of decent assets.

Fact of the matter was, I was dealing with you if Rex didn't come in. I was holding off to find a replacement top 6 D for next year when he came in. I can't control what other people offer. All i know is if put in the same position every gm in the league would have taken the offer which didn't have to give up carter, letang, and girardi.

I don't blame you for being upset- I would be too. I wouldn't be upset at you though, I would just be upset in general for losing out on the deal.

You admitted yourself it would take a massive massive overpayment to deal CP, and that's what you were getting. I had been shopping for a #1 for months and never got any really good deals for my franchise so I was willing to overpay even thought it would have cripled my prospect/young nhl pool.

If you would have throw in a legit Dman instead of walker our deal would have been done a week ago.

It frustrates me to hear that Rex was trying to get me kicked out of the league.

One thing I don't think is fair is to make me into a bad guy. Our deal still had kinks and Rex came in an blew our deal out of the water- not sure what you would have wanted me to do?

I sent about 4 GM's emails the same time we started negotiations.

Phaneuf-Bryce
Niedermeyer-Rex
Chara-Kirk
Pronger- You

Ours went really quickly into the framework for a deal, but lets be honest you were pillaging me. I know it, you know it. I've never been pillaged in a deal in BRHL but I was willing to do it to get my #1 Dman that I feel gives me the best chance to win a cup. I don't really know what else I can bring it to improve my chances.

Rex didn't respond for like 3 days to my email. Then came in yesterday night with a counter offer. I don't know whether he found out what kind of assets I was willing to give up (if he did it was likely by you) or whether he didn't want me to get Pronger. Either way I liked his counter offer and by 3 o clock we had a deal.

I just don't really understand what you would have wanted me to do? If I would have come back to you before I made the deal official with Rex do you really think you could have made a comparable offer to his?

Listening to all this from you guys pisses me off in one way.

No one in this league should ever be trying to move any GM from this league. This is what we have the commishes for, and I am sure they can see what is going on for ther most part.

To engage in any activity trying to remove a GM from the league is bottom end dispicable. This is not intended towards anyone but just as a league in general.

One thing i have learned from this league, is how intense most of the GMs are, and I think little scuff ups like these are healthy for the league.

Ian, take it easy man, you need to deal with all teams otherwise playing in half a league is no fun. I understand your stance but really the only one you are punishing is you !

If I had one pet peeve, it is that only a handful of GMs actually ever get involved in these heated discussions for more than a quick hit. Want to see more all around involvment from all and hear different opinions.
I know you all have one, you give me your opinions on my offers all the time......lol   

Ianintheam wrote:

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I can't believe I'd ever say this, and it will probably come back to haunt me for many years, but "GO THRASHERS"
-- Edited by Ianintheam at 18:24, 2008-10-18

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easy now, let's not be too hasty