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Goalie Grades


George wrote a nice article for the league.


I took the liberty of adding some pics.  Personally, I think TOR should've been #1.  Looks like Toskala...

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George, I understand the c- now and c- backup rating but the c- future rating (only two teams rated worse?) for the New York Islanders goaltending is just... blindness:

Ypu mention offhand:

Tobias Stephan
Matt Zaba
Konstantin Barulin

You make no "note" of:

Vasily Koshechkin
Dan Turple
Jason Smith
Jeff Glass 
Alexander Vincent

Kosh, Turp and Smith are developing wonderfully!

28th rated in goaltending okay.... but 28th in terms of FUTURE goaltending... that's inexplicable!

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Where is this article?

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Anaheim GM wrote:

Where is this article?




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Odd - I keep trying to refresh it, but nothing new is there!

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Found it - I had an old path to the main page... 

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Odd - I keep trying to refresh it, but nothing new is there!







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Islanders GM wrote:

George, I understand the c- now and c- backup rating but the c- future rating (only two teams rated worse?) for the New York Islanders goaltending is just... blindness:

Ypu mention offhand:

Tobias Stephan
Matt Zaba
Konstantin Barulin

You make no "note" of:

Vasily Koshechkin
Dan Turple
Jason Smith
Jeff Glass
Alexander Vincent

Kosh, Turp and Smith are developing wonderfully!

28th rated in goaltending okay.... but 28th in terms of FUTURE goaltending... that's inexplicable!



In retrospect you could have probably received a better future grade than a couple others I ranked at Cs......although I am not really a fan of any of those guys.

If you are talking about Turple....how does he develop well with this HF review..

2006-07: Turple signed a rookie contract in 2006 and was assigned to the ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators. He had the worst save percentage in the ECHL (minimum 1440 minutes played), with .879, and the third-worst GAA at 3.77 in the regular season. Turple played just one out of four games in the playoffs, an overtime loss.

The worst save percentage in the ECHL is to you is developing well?  I think we should end the debate here. wink

 



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nice writeup man, no complaints here about being listed as 30th. biggrin IF ramo and mason faulter this year in their respective leagues I'll probably trade Backstrom or Brassard for a high end goalie prospect. idea

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2006-07: Turple signed a rookie contract in 2006 and was assigned to the ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators. He had the worst save percentage in the ECHL (minimum 1440 minutes played), with .879,
The worst save percentage in the ECHL is to you is developing well?  I think we should end the debate here. wink

 






George,

I can't believe you didn't know that the lower the save % the better?

Sincerely,
Dan Cloutier

-- Edited by Sabres_Luke at 14:46, 2007-09-26

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BTW George- Great Article. Thanks a lot!

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Sabres_Luke wrote:

 

Hawks_G wrote:

2006-07: Turple signed a rookie contract in 2006 and was assigned to the ECHL Gwinnett Gladiators. He had the worst save percentage in the ECHL (minimum 1440 minutes played), with .879,
The worst save percentage in the ECHL is to you is developing well? I think we should end the debate here. wink

 




 



George,

I can't believe you didn't know that the lower the save % the better?

Sincerely,
Dan Cloutier

-- Edited by Sabres_Luke at 14:46, 2007-09-26

 



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Turple played well at this month's Traverse City Prospect Evaluation Tournament and is said to play in the AHL this season.

Koshechkin is every bit as good as Barulin, both leading Russian goalie prospects, top guys.

Anyways, you second guess the c- rating for future goaltending, covering your *beep* for when one of the eight goalies makes it big time.



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Turple played well at this month's Traverse City Prospect Evaluation Tournament and is said to play in the AHL this season.

Koshechkin is every bit as good as Barulin, both leading Russian goalie prospects, top guys.

Anyways, you second guess the c- rating for future goaltending, covering your *beep* for when one of the eight goalies makes it big time.

 



But, truthfully, none of the eight goalies are in the top 15-20 goalie prospects in the world

Just off the top of my head, the guys I like better...not including young NHL goalies...

Corey Crawford
Al Montoya
Devan Dubnyk
Corey Schneider
Thomas Greiss
Jonathan Bernier
Carey Price
Jaroslav Halak
Leland Irving
Jimmy Howard
Riku Helenius
Semen Varlamov
Michael Neuvirth
Justin Pogge
Curtis McElhinney
Jason Labarbera
Josh Harding
Tomas Popperle
Kari Ramo
......so how can I give a rating for a bunch of 3s dressed up as nines.....in the next five years, which of your guys is going to be a NHL starter?

Glass who was the WORST GAA in the AHL last season?  Vincent who is going to pass both Cory Schneider and Roberto Luongo on the depth chart?

Jason Smith? Who?  He isn't even the best NCAA goalie on your team....and your guy was in the 20s in ever statisical category in the NCAA last year.  And if you look at the list above, I don't even mention guys like David Brown, Brian Elliot, Ben Bishop, Jeff Zatkoff, or Jeff Frazzee.

That leaves Koshechkin as the shining light in the prospect pool.  By the time he is done this season, he will be a 25 year old Russian goalie prospect with no plans as far as I know to come over.  Was he in camp this year?  No.

So you think in a year or two he is just going to dump the RSL and come over, beat out everyone in the Lightning system and be the number one goalie overnight...no minors, no development...just off the plane to starter and stardom.

As far as I am concerned, you should put your faith in the three guys I mentioned. wink

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Oh...and I even get to slap my forehead and say...oops...I even forgot Ondrej Pavelec and Tuuka Rask.

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Good read George



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