The Olli Jokinen Rule

Sabres · Guru

The Olli Jokinen Rule

philly · Guru

you guys in buffalo are hilarious....

Anaheim GM · Guru

Agreed - they kind of remind me of former-BRHL GM, Kris S.

capsgm · Senior Member

so if it says "can play wing in a pinch" that doesn't matter anymore?

i sent an email a few days ago about moving mcdonald to wing, but if that would cost this rule then nevermind!

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

Yeah, we get screwed in the new rule change but no one EVER got screwed when we changed signing bonuses and ELC's and all that. How is that fair?

Here we go, more bull from the bulls ! geesh

Eric plessssssssseeeeeeeeee give up on this rule send JOKE MAN back to Center and lets stay within the realm of the NHL and the league.

And no Buffalo I am not trying to go against you again, you just have a tendancy to start most issues in this league, and leave me no choice, Which very few of us agree with at the best of times.

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 19:15, 2007-08-25

Islanders GM · Senior Member

Let me be the 7th g.m. to voice their petition against the rule.

Don't take away the Jokinen decision, just limit it: say, make it so Jokinen can play the first half of the season at wing but on game 42 will revert to centre (and could be played out of position, just with a reduction of performance as per the sim). That way Buffalo gets some benefit of trading for Jokinen (after all, he did ask Eric beforehand about the positional change).

Then we can return to the standard, conservative approach of links to a few sites which LIST positions.

TSN.ca is not overly strict, does indeed list more than one position if a player IN FACT plays entire games at that position in the present/preceeding season:

Jacina, Greg (C/W)
Jakopin, John (D/RW)
James, Connor (C/RW)
Jancovic, Dalimir (C/W)
Joensuu, Jesse (LW/RW)
Johansson, Andreas (C/W)

Johnson, Aaron (D/W)
Johnson, Craig (LW/C)

Johnson, Ryan (C/LW)
Jokinen, Jussi (C/LW)
Jokinen, Olli (C)
Juneau, Joe (C/LW)

'In a pinch' doesn't mean 82 games. 41 games is more than lax in reading that.

Let's get back to LISTED positions and nix the idea of notes/comments as evidence enough.

-- Edited by Islanders GM at 22:24, 2007-08-25

WildJamie · Senior Member

I would even go as far as saying no position changes in the season whatsoever. I have been in leagues where this is done. If you want a position change in the offseason, you have to supply the link to one of a few strict sites where in the profile the player is listed at that position. I find it funny that fantasy GMs seem to think of it as their right to change guys to any position as much as they want all season and never want to pay the penalty for doing so. In the real world, if guys are shifted from C to wing or vice versa, they are not as effective, and this should be the case in these leagues as well.
Go ahead and use your 3rd center on the 2nd line LW when you make your lines... just realize that he may not be quite as effective. These are the choices NHL coaches make, it should be no different here.

Islanders GM · Senior Member

WildJamie wrote:

I would even go as far as saying no position changes in the season whatsoever. I have been in leagues where this is done.

They probably didnt decided to do it after the summer, after UFA, right before the preseason! A radical decision like that should be made an entire season in advance (though my team is quite able to handle it due to adequate call-up numbers: I am not speaking here of my team's interests but of fairness).

WildJamie · Senior Member

No question... any rule change should be made with enough fair warning so GMs can adjust.
Overall, most of these clauses and sub-clauses create more work for commishes and more room for error (followed by complaining). The simpler the better, especially in areas where there is no reason not to be simple (ie. positin changes).

DallasStarsGM · Senior Member

I think there is no need for this rule personally, but the league want's it that is fine.

However, I do have a big problem with the timing of its implementation. This actually is a big deal and would have changed how alot of guys traded and bid on FA's. In any league, especially a real money league, it is important to give GMs plenty of time to prep for rule changes.

This action also promotes a poor perception. The perception that it is being implemented to appease a few vocal GM's. I'm sure thats not the intent but thats how some folks will percieve it.

It also sets a precident of changing rules after the new rules for the season have already been released and approved. How many more times should we expect this to happen? And to what magnitude? Basically every GM just got the right to push on the Commish's to make a rule change at any time. Not good.

I rarely voice my opinion on stuff like this as I am a more go with the flow type GM but the timing of this rule is very unfair to the league and sets a bad precident for the leagues future.

-- Edited by DallasStarsGM at 10:57, 2007-08-29

Islanders GM · Senior Member

DallasStarsGM wrote:

I do have a big problem with the timing of its implementation. This actually is a big deal and would have changed how alot of guys traded and bid on FA's. In any league, especially a real money league, it is important to give GMs plenty of time to prep for rule changes.

...sets a precident of changing rules after the new rules for the season have already been released and approved. How many more times should we expect this to happen? And to what magnitude? Basically every GM just got the right to push on the Commish's to make a rule change at any time. Not good.

I rarely voice my opinion on stuff like this as I am a more go with the flow type GM but the timing of this rule is very unfair to the league

Listen to the voice of reason here Eric and Bryce.

Anaheim GM · Guru

I agree with Ryan completely on this one. People plan based on current rules.

I think what we need to do is set some rules regarding rule changes. For example, for a rule is to come into force, there should be a threshold of votes that has to be attained in order to pass the rule change.

Perhaps an 80% (24 teams) threshold for an immediate rule change to the rules and 67% (20 teams) threshold for a rule change that would apply the following season...

DallasStarsGM wrote:

I think there is no need for this rule personally, but the league want's it that is fine.

However, I do have a big problem with the timing of its implementation. This actually is a big deal and would have changed how alot of guys traded and bid on FA's. In any league, especially a real money league, it is important to give GMs plenty of time to prep for rule changes.

This action also promotes a poor perception. The perception that it is being implemented to appease a few vocal GM's. I'm sure thats not the intent but thats how some folks will percieve it.

It also sets a precident of changing rules after the new rules for the season have already been released and approved. How many more times should we expect this to happen? And to what magnitude? Basically every GM just got the right to push on the Commish's to make a rule change at any time. Not good.

I rarely voice my opinion on stuff like this as I am a more go with the flow type GM but the timing of this rule is very unfair to the league and sets a bad precident for the leagues future.

-- Edited by DallasStarsGM at 10:57, 2007-08-29

Islanders GM · Senior Member

At least eleven (11) g.m.s now don't like this rule: it seriously affects competition and comes so late in the offseason.

I would have loved to ice a Yashin-Fedorov-Guerin top line and would have TOTALLY changed my UFA moves if I could have done that.

If a team has a player out of position and there is no LISTED reputable source, then trade!!

Decisions on a major competitive rule change should be made before people pay at the START of the offseason, not right before preseason!

philly · Guru

now im worried everyone might be taking this the wrong way.....

we are talking about an OV ratings change of maybe 1 when playing your C @ RW....

it isnt worth gettting your feet stuck in cement about....

im still pretty sure eric can handle each team moving 1 guy to start the season....

LETS ALL CHILL

Sabres · Guru

Rex, why are you always down playing other peoples concerns, but then when you have one its "DROP EVERYTHING, REX HAS A CONCERN"?

If 11 GMs have said they dont like this rule, I think we have a problem.