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Islanders GM · Senior Member

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Sabres_Luke · Guru

Islanders GM wrote:

the difference is Buffalo had a loophole, you didn't.

find a prospect report from the 1990s saying Lehtinen's drafted as a c/w and then find some footnote writer's comment about him playing centre "in a pinch" (I certainly have seen him take a few face-offs, covered half a period at the position. Dig up that game report and get him to play the position all season long according to the loophole).

i'd rather the loophole not be in effect, but the alternative is to let it apply equally to everyone

My goodness Jay. Its not a loophole. That part gets on my nerves a bit beacuse you act like im exploiting this loophole, hes not a loophole. The guy can play wing- He just doesn't on Fla as much as he can. Do you really think that TSN would write in the ASSETS department that he can play wing if he couldn't? Fact is, FLA just doesnt play him there because they dont have anyone to play top line C and it's a more important position to play.

It to mention there are at least 2 other sources that report he was drafted as a C/W. And 2 other assest in sources such as The hockey news that write it as well.

It's the same thing with bergeron and RW last year, however the difference is our source write it in TSN and he was drafted as a W/C. This isn't even the precedent.

-- Edited by Sabres_Luke at 11:28, 2007-08-09

Islanders GM · Senior Member

Sabres_Luke wrote:

My goodness Jay. Its not a loophole.
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Look, I'm not the one who brought this issue up (Kirk) and I am not the one who called it a "loophole" (Rex).

I am the one wanting to know how in order to maintain CONSISTENCY because it set sa precedent.

I think by "loophole" phily meant the fact that it is mentioned that he can play wing "in a pinch" on a The Hockey News comment is interpreted that he can be moved permanently to RW or LW.

And, once agin, I cannot see anyy reference on tsn.ca despite the link you provided. and the prospect link was from 1997. leaving only the "in a pinch" comment on The Hockey News.

Just want to get clear at what happened here.

Sabres · Guru

Check this out take note of where Jokinen is on the ice during the 24 second mark goal he scores:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cb0DY9Lbk

Based on this, Buffalo is next going to move Jokinen to defence, cause he is clearly able to play it.

Sabres · Guru

The problem is that other teams dont have players that are interchangeable, ours is, so we benefit from it.

Just another thing to think about when assessing a players value.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Islanders GM wrote:

Sabres_Luke wrote:

My goodness Jay. Its not a loophole.
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Look, I'm not the one who brought this issue up (Kirk) and I am not the one who called it a "loophole" (Rex).

I am the one wanting to know how in order to maintain CONSISTENCY because it set sa precedent.

I think by "loophole" phily meant the fact that it is mentioned that he can play wing "in a pinch" on a The Hockey News comment is interpreted that he can be moved permanently to RW or LW.

And, once agin, I cannot see anyy reference on tsn.ca despite the link you provided. and the prospect link was from 1997. leaving only the "in a pinch" comment on The Hockey News.

Just want to get clear at what happened here.

I wouldn't ever be able to move kopitar or crosby because they can't play wing. They never have and never will. If you actually know OJ's history you know he has and Can and Would if the situation present itself. TSN, The hockey news and waymoresports all realize that. BTW read the TSN assets as well if you still can't find anything.

Those main sources show what they DO play not what they CAN play, kopitar can't play wing, its a simple as that. OJ plays C on FLA but TSN and other awknowledge that if situations were different he could play wing. It's not a loophole. It's fact and has already been precedented by TB, if you a player that was draft as a C/W and can prove it, or find a reputable source that has an writing the they can play wing that is sufficient for the league (says the commishes). Period.

Sabres · Guru

Islanders GM wrote:

Sabres_Luke wrote:

My goodness Jay. Its not a loophole.
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Look, I'm not the one who brought this issue up (Kirk) and I am not the one who called it a "loophole" (Rex).

I am the one wanting to know how in order to maintain CONSISTENCY because it set sa precedent.

I think by "loophole" phily meant the fact that it is mentioned that he can play wing "in a pinch" on a The Hockey News comment is interpreted that he can be moved permanently to RW or LW.

And, once agin, I cannot see anyy reference on tsn.ca despite the link you provided. and the prospect link was from 1997. leaving only the "in a pinch" comment on The Hockey News.

Just want to get clear at what happened here.

Its TSN.ca that posts the "can play wing in a pinch" comment. That means he can play it in a second and TSN is basically thee biggest hockey network in the world potentially. So I think that yeah, he can play wing.

-- Edited by Sabres at 11:42, 2007-08-09

Islanders GM · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

Check this out take note of where Jokinen is on the ice during the 24 second mark goal he scores:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cb0DY9Lbk

Based on this, Buffalo is next going to move Jokinen to defence, cause he is clearly able to play it.

exactly HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

playing a position "in a pinch" and playing it for an 82-games schedule are two entirely different things

getting some clarity at what KIND of source references are good enough for positional changes would help.

Islanders GM · Senior Member

let's let the commishes osrt this out and tell us HOW LAX WILL THE RULES BE INTERPRETED

-- Edited by Islanders GM at 11:47, 2007-08-09

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Islanders GM wrote:

let's let the commishes osrt this out and tell us HOW LAX WILL THE RULES BE INTERPRETED

-- Edited by Islanders GM at 11:47, 2007-08-09

They already have. And its not even lax, why can't you get that through your head, if you've followed hockey since he was drafted you know he's always been a C/W, but hasn't played wing for FLA because their situation.

Stop acting like it something that needs to be interpreted or were bending the rules a bit..we're not. I think most of you seem to be upset because you're jealous or mad because your guy has never played that position.

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Check this out take note of where Jokinen is on the ice during the 24 second mark goal he scores:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4cb0DY9Lbk

Based on this, Buffalo is next going to move Jokinen to defence, cause he is clearly able to play it.

lol.

Sabres · Guru

I dont understand how moving Olli to RW is "unrealistic". Every single team in the NHL flip flops players around all night long, all season long.

So flip flopping our guys if we provide sources isnt really that unrealistic at all. I think this is another rule that has to be more closely defined, mind you.

I think we should just have a list of reputable sources that are available. I think they should include basically any network that does NHL coverage. So with the five included we should also have the following and MAYBE MORE:
cbs.sportsline.com
sportsnet.ca
versus.com (not sure about this one, but they do NHL coverage)

We should also have to define if a little blurb in an article that says he can play wing counts as a positional change or not. I think bigger networks it should be ok, such as TSN, sportsnet etc...

We are within the rules, but maybe we've discovered a weakness in the existing description of the rule and if the league wants to redefine it, then they can; however,
no other rules have been made retroactively, so this one would have to be the same if it does get altered.

philly · Guru

Sabres wrote:

The problem is that other teams dont have players that are interchangeable, ours is, so we benefit from it.

Just another thing to think about when assessing a players value.

LMAO.....

after like literally 10 minutes of looking, Ive found "reputable sites" listing almost every player on my roster at every forward position.... **** if anyone knows anything about internet searches, its not hard.

the point is how many times last year after a whistle did jokinen go out there and play wing with someone else centering him???? like 2??? 1?????

get realistic.

so basically what you guys are now saying is that because you have a loophole, now everyone has a loophole.

and your point is not valid about NHLers playing multiple positions throughout a game based on injury, opportunity, or just some hair-brained idea by the coach..... but over an 82-game season if they play literally 82 games at center and 50 shifts on wing, then i dont know maybe Im crazy, but they are probably exclusively a center...

and your kopitar-crosby argument is not valid either.... im sure that if "in a pinch" crosby needed to play winger for whatever reason, he'd still probably put up 120+ points in the year......

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Pretty simple, if the site says he can play there, in a pinch, in a tornado, in a dress, he can be moved there.

I'm amazed at this ridiculous thread to be honest with you.

Sabres · Guru

Amen.

I think its fine how it is. Eric and Bryce will decide if your source is reputable. I think we can all live with that.

-- Edited by Sabres at 12:45, 2007-08-09