Players age automatically when a new season is started.. so the ages shown do not reflect what their actual age is.. hence what Bryce is saying. Nothing changes.. same players are still ufas.
Entry Level Contracts By default, all ELC's are two-way contracts, no exceptions. The length of the ELC is determined in the CBA: Age 18-21 when first signing: 3 years Age 22-23: 2 years Age 24: 1 year Age 25-27 (European players only): 1 year Otherwise: not subject to entry-level restrictions
This is what the CBA says. So basically any Euro who is getting his first BRHL2 contract has to abide by these restrictions. Norrena has no restrictions based on the type of contract he can sign because he is older than 27, but he is in theory an unrestricted free agent.
This problem all stems with the prospect lists. We cant have UFA restrictions on entry level deals at all if we are going to allow prospects to stay on our lists past "CBA defined eligability".
Example... any player drafted in the entry draft who plays major junior hockey in canada must be signed to an entry level deal within two years of being drafted, or else he goes back into the draft or becomes a free agent. (depending on age)
Matthew Lombardi re-entered the draft after failing to sign with Edmonton. Calgary took him the second time around.
A.J. Thelen failed to sign with Minnesota and was too old to re-enter the draft and is now a free agent.
Both of them played Major Junior Hockey so the 2 year rule applied. There is rulings for when you have to sign drafted players for every type of player. NCAA players you dont have to sign until they agree to up until I THINK 1 year after they finish their schooling and eligability under the NCAA. If any NCAA signs a contract with the NHL, he loses NCAA eligability, whereas Europeans have there own set of rules too.
I can track down all these rules and have them drawn up in a relatively easy to read manner, but we have to use "all" the rules if we are going to have UFA and RFAs. This would help with the 50 player max roster size between AHL and BRHL2 pro teams as well, because people wouldnt be "hanging onto" prospects hoping they make it as much.
If we dont want to get picky about when we have to offer prospects a contract (because its a lot of work) then we need to define how an older europeans entry level contract is, because they really are a UFA.
If we decide not to use the CBA's rules on when an entry level contract must be signed for prospects, then I propose we only allow 2 year entry level contracts to any "prospect" who is 27 years or older. Therefore our teams very own Cory Murphy could only be signed for 2 years minimum and maximum for his first deal, and FredrikNorrena would be the same as well as Niklas Backstrom the goalie, Ville Peltonen, etc...
Please let me know if this doesnt make sense, this kind of thing can get complicated until you wrap your head around it, after that, it makes sense.
Here is the NCAA explanation of when ELC's must be presented to a player before the team losing negotiating rights for that player...
BEWARE THIS IS QUITE A LOT OF JARGON, but there is a summary at the end in bold for those who dont wish to tackle it all.
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for 18 or 19 yos age dfn below
4 year college player...graduation of his college class, August 15
Leaves college early...4 years from draft year, June 1
examples: Keith Seabrook just left Denver for Calgary Hitmen, WHL; if he had stayed in college for 4 seasons, the Washington Capitals would have held his rights until August 15, 2010; he was drafted in 2006, so leaving early, the Caps hold his rights until June 1, 2010.
for 20 yo or older
June 1, 2 years from draft date if finished with college after those 2 years, but if still in college past that date, August 15 after leaves college
see CBA 8.6.C
"College Players. (i) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and remains a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for his services through and including the August 15 following the graduation of his college class. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights. (ii) If a Player drafted at age 18 or 19 is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection in the Entry Draft, or becomes a bona fide college student prior to the first June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft, and does not remain a bona fide college student through the graduation of his college class, his drafting Club shall retain exclusive rights for the negotiation of his services until the fourth June 1 following his selection in the Entry Draft. The Club need not make a Bona Fide Offer to such Player to retain such rights. ...(v)If a Player drafted at age 20 or older is a bona fide college student at the time of his selection or becomes a bona fide college student while his drafting Club retains exclusive rights, then his drafting Club shall retain those rights until the second June 1 following the date of his selection, ...shall retain those rights until the August 15 of the year in which the Player leaves college..."
section 8.10
"As used in this Article, "age 18" means a Player reaching his eighteenth birthday between January 1 next preceding the Entry Draft and September 15 next following the Entry Draft, both dates included; "age 19" means a Player reaching his nineteenth birthday by no later than September 15 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age 20" means a Player reaching his twentieth birthday by no later than December 31 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft; "age 21" means a Player reaching his twenty-first birthday by December 31 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft and "age 22" means a Player reaching his twenty-second birthday by December 31 in the calendar year of the Entry Draft." --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Basically, if a player is an NCAA player prior to or elects to become one before June 1st after being drafted, then the team has his rights until 4 years have passed. If he leaves early (such as to play CHL) then they must offer him a contract by June 1st 4 years from his drafting, but if he stays, then they have until Aug 15th by the 4th year. So an extra 2.5 months if he doesnt leave early.
but if hes 20 before he becomes an NCAA player (and by "20" I mean becomes 20 before Sept 15th of the current year he enrolled for NCAA) then they only have him for 2 years of NCAA. (Same rules apply on deadlines if he leaves early or completes his tenure.)
"B. All entry contracts will be for 3 years, the only exception is when a player is 29 years old at time of creation he signs a 2 year deal, when 30 he signs a 1 year deal and any older than 30 he signs a 4 year deal. The reason being a team should have the rights of a drafted player of theirs for as long as possible."
Knowing the rules, I drafted Nolan and Norrena last summer int he dispersal draft with all intention of signing them to 4-year contracts this summer. I also paid a bit more in trade to get Peltonen, Eriksson and Jonsson knowing our league rules are as they are.
If Buffalo wants to change the rules it wouldn't affect these guys anyways as the new rule would come into effect for the following year, next summer's from-prospect-list-to-entry-level-contract guys.
Nice try to get the rules changed in one's favour.
Islanders GM wrote: Nice try to get the rules changed in one's favour.
Jay, You're a nice guy- and I like you, but in which way would this benefit us? We used a 3rd or 4th on Cory Murphy who if i recall correctly is 28. I have always wanted to do what's best for the league so maybe you should reevaluate the situation.
And to add to that I think it might even be a bit worse for someone to hold the league hostage to rules like this when the NHL runs completely different.
Thanks.
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lol did you even read anything I wrote? Everyone thinks we are working in our best interest. The league is suppose to mirror the NHL so all Im doing is describing how it works in the NHL
Also, if you read my post, you'd realize that Im not trying to change anything. I was unaware of the ruling you just showed me. If this is how Eric and Bryce want it then that is fine with me. I just want Entry level Contracts defined and the discussion regarding when prospects must be signed to take place. Im still not sure if I want deadlines set for when my drafted players need to be offered an ELC or not yet. I would like to hear both sides of the fence, and quite frankly I think it might be too confusing for our league.
I dont expect people to read all of what I typed cause its long and boring, but if you do want to say Im looking out for my best interest, you better be damn sure and you werent.
some of the GMs is the BRHL2 appreciate the effort you guys are putting into trying to make our league as close to the NHL as possible.
Me included.
Thanks. It actually is appreciated. We're just trying to get the kinks worked out of the rules since this is our first go round and errors and learning curves are inevitable.
Someones gotta do the job and I think Bryce and Eric appreciate most of our help as they have communicated this to us.
