List of BRHL2 Draftables under NHL contract !!!

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

RE: List of BRHL2 Draftables under NHL contract !!!

Islanders GM · Senior Member

after writing 100+ cover page stories about teams OTHER than my own I was shocked at the midway point of last season to find my efforts receive nothing but criticism by some whining g.m.s over who was covered when and how much

no good deed goes unpunished in this league

rewarding people for not doing their homework?? i didn't rank the players, just listed them. there are several lumps of coal in that list and maybe, maybe one or two diamonds (maybe not) and a few pieces of silver

are you saying commish that if i'd profiled a group of older draftables in a cover page story it wouldn't have been published??? no media? or, as one said, just no central scouting type of service (yet I didnt even rank them)

i could make sure to only PM and msn text message some g.m.s next time, only talk about such things off the boards, is that the best for this particular league?

-- Edited by Islanders GM at 03:18, 2007-07-27

Islanders GM · Senior Member

by the way...

the best older draftable prospects are guys who never played a game in the NHL yet (hence not the list I provided) but are guys who have developed nicely and either have signed their first contract recently or are expected to in the next year or so... that's a sweet list

and gold nuggets are among all those Europeans coming over to North America
there's a gold mine to be dug at HfBoards, even lists if you have the time to look

and of course this year's draft class has potential stars

so the 7-round entry draft should be interesting!

and the more engaged and informed everyone is, the better!

philly · Guru

agreed

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

My issue isn't so much so with the context, but the principle. It's that we have a difference in opinion on how much a GM should work. In how much preperation that a handful of GMs had (apparently went into), and probably some that didn't. Should we "punish" GMs for researching and looking for lists, players available in the draft? Should we have 1 master list? Only people on the list can be drafted? Is that something we want to do for next year? I'd like to think that we come to a clear yes or no otherwise it's kinda pointless. Pointless that we'd apparently have people sharing information. Nothing I can stop, nothing I'll try exhaustingly to and stop. If GMs want to "stick it" to the league and/or other GMs by handing out info other GNs worked for, good for you then.

Am I making too much of this? Am I putting too much stock into GM Draft preperation? I know a lot of GMs here come from a lot of different backgrounds and approaches to situations like this. As we can see we have a few varied opinions above. What does everyone think?

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

The GM in me that had scouted hates the list going public, though the commish in me, after hearing valid points by Chicago and NYI, agrees that maybe a list like this is a good thing, so kudos to NYI for his research and preparing the list.

Sabres · Guru

Im completely against the list being published. GMs HAVE to do work to get a good team. I dont want them just drafting a name that a relatively "respectable GM" publishes in hope to land a decent player.

Its ridiculous if we publish a list. Do your own research and dont give out free resources. This is a competative league people, any work I do should reap rewards, and when someone levels the playing field I spent all year trying to gain an advantage, I get a little miffed. If you want to share anything like this, do it over msn. -Aaron

-- Edited by Sabres at 12:18, 2007-07-27

WildJamie · Senior Member

I think people are over-reacting. The list of people the Isles GM put out there is like 5% of the guys that will be drafted... at most. Not only that, none of them will go in the first two rounds. AND, all he did was list names. He did not make a list followed by detailed scouting reports. Nor did he make a list of draftees from 2002-2006 with news on who is close to the NHL and who is not. He didn't even make a list of the 2006 draft. nor did he add notes to this list of 2006 draftees with their one year later progress.
To me, if anything, the list the Isles made in this thread is actually better for a GM that has done his research. If a GM does no research and drafts from the list the Isles made, I will be happy! There isn't much on that list of garbage I want.
Overall to me, research has nothing to do with what "names" are available, it has to do with which prospects are the best ones. And I could care less if there is a list available (because anyone can make the same list in no time), because I will be drafting on who I think is the best prospect either way.

Sabres · Guru

Thanks for pointing out the obvious WildJamie. I think every team will be taking the player they think is best. The fact of the matter is that some of the players on this list are better than the 5th or 6th rounders in the real draft, and would be considered good picks at that range. Im also sure some GMs didnt know of these players and now GMs reap benefits for being lazy by just reading a list.

I know its not a massive extensive list, but its got players some GMs wouldnt have known about and its annoying they find out about them for free. Its almost like collusion.

-- Edited by Sabres at 15:01, 2007-07-27

WildJamie · Senior Member

Actually, it is probably the opposite of collusion.
If you are determined to have a league that collapses within a few years, keep puching for competitive imbalance at the max. I have seen it time and time again with FHL leagues....

Sabres · Guru

ive been in tons of FHL leagues too, its the GMs and bad commishes that make them collapse, not competativeness.

Not to mention this is a pay league, you cant have any resources given to anyone when its a pay league.

WildJamie · Senior Member

No? Like the NHL and Central Scouting?
And if you don't think weak GMs that come and go for one year will lead to the fall of a league, wait and see what happens.
Again, any idiot can compile a list. You are not doing anyone a major favour by making one. It is the research into the names that makes the difference, and this is where the very committed GMs will make hay....

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

You guys act like all we have to do is sit around the computer for hours and hours and do nothing but the FHL leagues.

I am sorry but the last time i checked I had a life, kids, grand kids, a job ( YES A REAL ONE NOT SCHOOL ) And a wife who i would put money on in a fight against any of you dogs.

Does this make me any less commited ?

Does this mean I am a loser cause I cannot stay awake long enough to read every nook and cranny hockey analized article on every single player and stat the world has to offer?

The bottom line is simple, no matter how smart you think you are at hockey it means very little to the Simulator. Knowing what the sim tendancies are is where you should really consider putting in your time.

Buffalo has an awesome looking team coming up on paper, Unfortunately the team is only as good as the paper it is on. This was just an example and not meant to pick on Buffalo alone.

Bottom line simple, I can do as much damage without ever seeing or using that list as any of you can using all the tools of the trade. So can anybody who knows the sim tendancies.

And last but not least, I may be an old fool compared to most of you, alright probably all of you but at least i can say this much.

I CAN SAY I ACTUALLY SEEN THE LEAFS WIN THE CUP IN MY LIFE TIME, AND AS A BONUS WATCHED THE WHOLE '72 SERIES TO BOOT !! YEAH !