Opinions on Trades- Preseason 2007

Sabres_Luke · Guru

RE: Opinions on Trades- Preseason 2007

Hawks_G · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Johan Franzen-Niklas Kronvall-Henrik Tallinder-dal 1st/det 2nd/ Cal 3, Min 4, Min 5/

TO NY- Brian boyle/ Brooks laich/ Jamie mcbain/ Martin karsusms/ brian pothier/ jan hejda

Awful deal for NYR.

I can't fathom where Joe thinks he got his value.

Knrovall will rate at around a 75/76 having a breakout year.
Tallinder gets huge ice time and tons of PK- should be around 76/77
Franzen is a quality player.
not to mention the picks are ridiculous.
Dallas 1st? A top 10 pick? Det 2nd is quality, cal 3rd is quality.

Okay with that said for what?
Boyle is a good young player but dallas 1st is>>>>>Boyle is a 03 pick, which means he's a 23 year old rookie. He is massive which always intrigues me but it seems the entire deal was made because of boyle being made out to be a toews or something.

Mcbain is a good prospect but is = to 3rd-5th
Karsums is a good prospect but is = to 2nd
Pothier is average but nothing close to either of the 2 D's going back.

Nice job Kirk!

Pretty much my thoughts.

BluesGM · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Johan Franzen-Niklas Kronvall-Henrik Tallinder-dal 1st/det 2nd/ Cal 3, Min 4, Min 5/

TO NY- Brian boyle/ Brooks laich/ Jamie mcbain/ Martin karsusms/ brian pothier/ jan hejda

Awful deal for NYR.

I can't fathom where Joe thinks he got his value.

Knrovall will rate at around a 75/76 having a breakout year.
Tallinder gets huge ice time and tons of PK- should be around 76/77
Franzen is a quality player.
not to mention the picks are ridiculous.
Dallas 1st? A top 10 pick? Det 2nd is quality, cal 3rd is quality.

Okay with that said for what?
Boyle is a good young player but dallas 1st is>>>>>Boyle is a 03 pick, which means he's a 23 year old rookie. He is massive which always intrigues me but it seems the entire deal was made because of boyle being made out to be a toews or something.

Mcbain is a good prospect but is = to 3rd-5th
Karsums is a good prospect but is = to 2nd
Pothier is average but nothing close to either of the 2 D's going back.

Nice job Kirk!

echoing buffalo and chicago's sentiments as well, boyle hasn't played enough in the NHL to be considered any sort of a solid player in that league... knonvall and tallinder for hejda and pothier? ATL easily wins that side of the deal... the prospects are decent, but the picks atlanta gets in the deal i feel are worth more than what he gave up....

-- Edited by BluesGM at 15:26, 2008-02-13

WildJamie · Senior Member

BluesGM wrote:

Sabres_Luke wrote:

Johan Franzen-Niklas Kronvall-Henrik Tallinder-dal 1st/det 2nd/ Cal 3, Min 4, Min 5/

TO NY- Brian boyle/ Brooks laich/ Jamie mcbain/ Martin karsusms/ brian pothier/ jan hejda

Awful deal for NYR.

I can't fathom where Joe thinks he got his value.

Knrovall will rate at around a 75/76 having a breakout year.
Tallinder gets huge ice time and tons of PK- should be around 76/77
Franzen is a quality player.
not to mention the picks are ridiculous.
Dallas 1st? A top 10 pick? Det 2nd is quality, cal 3rd is quality.

Okay with that said for what?
Boyle is a good young player but dallas 1st is>>>>>Boyle is a 03 pick, which means he's a 23 year old rookie. He is massive which always intrigues me but it seems the entire deal was made because of boyle being made out to be a toews or something.

Mcbain is a good prospect but is = to 3rd-5th
Karsums is a good prospect but is = to 2nd
Pothier is average but nothing close to either of the 2 D's going back.

Nice job Kirk!

echoing buffalo and chicago's sentiments as well, boyle hasn't played enough in the NHL to be considered any sort of a solid player in that league... knonvall and tallinder for hejda and pothier? ATL easily wins that side of the deal... the prospects are decent, but the picks atlanta gets in the deal i feel are worth more than what he gave up....

-- Edited by BluesGM at 15:26, 2008-02-13

I also agree with the previous 3 opinions. Take Franzen, Kronvall and Tallinder out of the trade and we have a pretty fair deal....

HOTLANTA · Guru

we are swapping the kronvall for hejda part back as it is only a salary dump for me for remainder of season..

Anaheim GM · Guru

Is this trade seriously going to be allowed? NYR are getting raped on this deal!

Johan Franzen-Niklas Kronvall-Henrik Tallinder-dal 1st/det 2nd/ Cal 3, Min 4, Min 5/

TO NY- Brian boyle/ Brooks laich/ Jamie mcbain/ Martin karsusms/ brian pothier/ jan hejda

NYRGM · Senior Member

Come on boys..............Of course I'd never move Kronwall for that, i'd like to think you'd give me more credit than that DAM!!!! The Kronwall/Hejda swap was just for the remainder of the season in order to help Kirk out salary cap wise, which is why the deal was shut down until we revised it taking that part out, because of the new rule Eric just implimented.

-Laich and Franzen are having identical yrs and they cancel.
-Boyle is a legit studs-ramrod and is equal to the dallas 1st/5th all day long. The Dallas 1st will be around 12-15 with no player being worth close to Boyle's value around that selection. Boyle has 4pts in 6games with much much more to come with his PP/PK time. I didnt like moving Tallinder for Pothier but it was the only way I could land Boyle and the remainder of the deal.
-Karsums will be in Boston before the years end and has a legit shot at a 2nd/3rd line in Boston for a long time. He's better than Axelesson as far as pk along with having scoring ability. I am a 15yr Providence Bruins season ticket holder and have seen him since day 1 in the AHL and every home game and he's matured and become better every year. This kid is legit and i'm excited to bring him aboard. He's easily worth a 2nd to me.
-Mcbain is a legit defensive stud with offensive prowess as well. Mcbain is one of the top Canes prospects and will be in Carolina next season without question along with Borer and possibly Carson. Mcbain is the pp guy out of the bunch and Carolina needs that kind of punch. He easily is worth a 2nd and more, and I was happy to ship him out for a discount of 3rd/4th.

NYRGM · Senior Member

The New York Rangers pulled off yet another solid move brining in young powerplay specialist Cory Murphy as well as another 3rd round pick in the draft with Calgary's pick in exchance for Brian Pothier. Pothier is solid but the fact is he's older and Murphy is putting up close to Pothier's numbers now with having played half the season less compared to Pothier.

This deal should help give Atlanta more depth on defense apparently, but knowning Kirk he'll probably roll Pothier away again. The Rangers however are quite pleased to bring in someone of Murphy's skill and upside and should compliment the slew of offensive defenseman the Rangers are starting to compile for next year. Our work however is not done in that we have a few more players left to move before the deadline to set us up for where we want to be next year. Rumors are Prospal, Bouillon, Torres,Hamrlik, Zigomanis are those about to move. Stay Tuned

capsgm · Senior Member

To Pittsburgh- Tony Romano- Pavel Valentenko- Wade Belak

To Atlanta- Marek Svatos

awesome deal kirk, probably best steal i've seen yet this year

Sabres_Luke · Guru

sweet moses, a guy who puts in a goal every other game for 3 plugs? I dont think I hound people enough in this league.

Anaheim GM · Guru

Again, I have to ask whether this deal will be allowed... Sure Svatos is one-dimensional, but what did Pitt get in return??

capsgm wrote:

To Pittsburgh- Tony Romano- Pavel Valentenko- Wade Belak

To Atlanta- Marek Svatos

awesome deal kirk, probably best steal i've seen yet this year

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

Just in response to all you professional GM's, which means little since most of the real ones are as stupid as the rest of us. (JFJ, Mike Milbury, Doug Risebrough to name a few ) I think you are looking at the deal in too immediate of an idea. Marek Svatos might score quite a bit as Moses partner in crime Luke stated, but not much of a team player now is he. Also I will not have a competative team for at least a few seasons so my plans are a bit further down he line.
Do I believe I could have gotten more for Svatos ? I was not sure. , but I got the player I wanted in Tony Romano who I feel will be much better than Svatos, and valentenko I believe will be a nice solid d man for the future. Belak was a positional throw in and adds some toughness.

Could I have gotten more ?

BTW Luke you never have to hound me. You just have to read the messageboard to find out who is available because he has been posted as available for a week now at least and Kirk was the only one to speak up.

You would figure a player of his verbal ilk around the league would have attracted more than one GM !

Sabres_Luke · Guru

Fair enough. But just because you want to trade a player and put him on the block, doesn't mean you should except below fair value for them.

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

Yes but value is in the eye of the beholder and to be quite honest with you, I was not sure where to put Svatos according to value. I know he has capabilities, but he might be a Stoll or Cheechoo, or he might be a someone who just keeps racking up good numbers with no fall back. So maybe I got beat on this one. Not sure at this point. I guess only time will tell for sure. Otherwise I do not feel I got burned. Like I said we will see.