Opinions on Trades- Preseason 2007

philly · Guru

RE: Opinions on Trades- Preseason 2007

capsgm · Senior Member

wow, some sweet trades there guys. Alfie finally got moved ! awesome return too.

marleau for frolov, interesting as well.

HOTLANTA · Guru

To Atlanta- Henrik Tallinder
To Phoenix- Hal Gill, Petteri Nummelin, ott 4th, 3 mill

i lose a little depth in nummelin and the pick and cash.. but in upgrading from gill who is ufa next year to tallinder who plays 21;15 a night nhl and is rfa next season. i like that i'll have a top 4 d-man for 5-6 years instead of a #5 and 7 for one or two years..

To Atlanta- Mark Parrish
To Minnesota- Matt Cooke- 1 million..

getting a rfa with 13 goals already nhl for a guy who is a 3rd-4th line guy with 11 total points and some healthy scratches..

NYRGM · Senior Member

Absolute joke what is going on with some of these deals reguarding the Vancouver trades. Is there a trade committe or what? Its deals like that that ruin a league. All it takes is one deal like that and it could nulify 20 legit deals by one team. Totally unbalances the league. Where is the verdict on these things? Seems like we have enough Gm's raising concern, I vaguely counted about 15-20 gm's that have a problem with it........................... rediculous!

Hawks_G · Guru

NYRGM wrote:

Absolute joke what is going on with some of these deals reguarding the Vancouver trades. Is there a trade committe or what? Its deals like that that ruin a league. All it takes is one deal like that and it could nulify 20 legit deals by one team. Totally unbalances the league. Where is the verdict on these things? Seems like we have enough Gm's raising concern, I vaguely counted about 15-20 gm's that have a problem with it........................... rediculous!

Joe....you are bringing up a discussion that was done in November...nothing is going on with the discussions? Vancouver was fired/left and his deals reversed. I don't know what you are questioning?

BluesGM · Guru

why oh why did i trade frolov.... 4 points against me tonight....

Sabres_Luke · Guru

TO NYR: NYR 1ST, DAL 1ST, SABOURIN, TORRES, 4 million
FROM NYR: GOMEZ, THOMAS
TO PHI: COLE, CARLE, GARON
FROM PHI: HEJDUK, NYR 1ST, SABOURIN, TORRES, 3 million
TO DAL: HEJDUK, GOMEZ, THOMAS
FROM DAL: COLE, CARLE, GARON, DAL 1ST, 1 million

Pretty fair deal. it's nice to see the trades getting closer and closer. NYR has found the joy in rebuilding- good on ya.

Of all the 3 top players in the deal, gomez, hejduk, and cole. I think Philly gave up the worst, but NYR 1 could be a good prospect if NYR drafts well.

philly · Guru

Sabres_Luke wrote:

TO NYR: NYR 1ST, DAL 1ST, SABOURIN, TORRES, 4 million
FROM NYR: GOMEZ, THOMAS
TO PHI: COLE, CARLE, GARON
FROM PHI: HEJDUK, NYR 1ST, SABOURIN, TORRES, 3 million
TO DAL: HEJDUK, GOMEZ, THOMAS
FROM DAL: COLE, CARLE, GARON, DAL 1ST, 1 million

Pretty fair deal. it's nice to see the trades getting closer and closer. NYR has found the joy in rebuilding- good on ya.

Of all the 3 top players in the deal, gomez, hejduk, and cole. I think Philly gave up the worst, but NYR 1 could be a good prospect if NYR drafts well.

i agree with your assessment, but i tried not to look at it in terms of which guy I was getting because originally I had set out to get gomez.

but from my assessment i got better on all three aspects of the deal for my team:
garon for sabby/torres/money
cole for hejduk (very, very small because of hejduks contract)
carle for nyr 1st (to me this was the best part of the deal)

But it took me forever to put this deal together... and believe me, it wasnt simple...

eventually i ended up only getting dallas pieces, but nyr needed his first to move gomez for any value, and once he ok'ed the move of thomas, everything else fell into place..

A colossal amount of effort went into it and it included some huge pieces that hadnt been even considered tradable up to that point. (including nyr 1st for me)

I had a fun time putting the trade together and it has seemed to really spark some activity from around the league, as I have recieved lots of quality offers on guys I recieved in the deal, and lots of other assets I have available for trade (Zherdev, 1 of my dmen)

And I see just about everyone outside of about 5 people on ICQ regularily now-a-days.... (perhaps the other 5 teams could make themselves available on icq2go.com which is a web-page based icq program, so you dont have to download anything.)

But now I am rambling and nitpicking about other issues.

Hawks_G · Guru

Nice deal all around.....like I said in an earlier thread....lots of chatter, lots of guys around....activity with everyone seems pretty good.

Good work guys.

capsgm · Senior Member

yes, awesome 3 way deal - should work out great for you three.

NYRGM · Senior Member

Thanks for the praise boys, I really liked this deal too and its good to see it gets the approval of our commrades as well. Like Rex said, some of the assets included in the deal were meant to never leave including Gomez and Thomas but we like the return and possibility at two studs in the draft as well as Sabourin set for a solid rerate and the GAMBLE of Torres. Personally I never liked that Albino Torres but we'll see if he turns it around.

I love seeing the activity picking up and the rest of the league making the big push toward the playoff run, its fun and exciting even for me on the outside of the playoff picture because I'll be a seller all the way until the deadline. I gave myself to the halfway point to make a run at a playoff spot and I found myself on the outside looking in which is why I changed gears yet again. No worries I'm looking for a year or two down the road anyway. I love this league and i'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Happy trading boys and you know where to find me. Peace-Joe NYRGM

philly · Guru

to atl: roy, 1.5 mil
to phi: atl 3rd

to ana: zherdev, lindros, atl 3rd, ott 5th, ott 6th, ott 7th, 2 mil, brent sutter
to phi: boyes, bonk, ron wilson

Essentially this becomes a 2 part debate:
1) Zherdev-Boyes Value (upside, contract, rerate)
2) Coaching Moves in mid-season

As for the first part, I consider boyes to be of much better quality than zherdev. zherdev is quite an enigmatic player and I consider goals to be worth much more than that of assists, so boyes is worth more to me there. The fact that boyes has a 3-year contract made this a no brainer to me.

For the second part I actually have a side-bet with an Eastern Conference Rival on whether I should/could have made a coaching change in the midst of a 5-game winning streak..... I say it will make no difference.

What do the rest of you say?

Hawks_G · Guru

Kirk, how you convince anyone to take Pouliot off your hands is amazing. The fact you got a top 6 blueliner for a P.O.S. is even more amazing.

Hawks_G · Guru

philly wrote:
For the second part I actually have a side-bet with an Eastern Conference Rival on whether I should/could have made a coaching change in the midst of a 5-game winning streak..... I say it will make no difference.

What do the rest of you say?

A team can win in spite of it's coach. A benefit long term for sure.

NYRGM · Senior Member

obviously you havent seen MAP this season and his progression. The kid is a stud and looks out of place at the AHL level and should easily be up with Edmonton tearing it up and its only a matter of time. I was also looking for additional picks which I recieved. krajicek is 8th on my defensive depth chart and he's been a healthy scratch for Vancouver multiple times this season and isnt as great as everyone thinks. Please re-examine your facts before you stuff your balls................foot in your mouth.

Anyways how's that Levacalier deal working out for ya??????

-- Edited by Moderator at 15:46, 2008-02-04