Ratings bitching thread

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Ratings bitching thread

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

There are a few players who did not (for whatever reason) get their ratings transfered properly. To cross reference please use the BRHL1 site : thebrhl.com

I will get to this when I have time. Thanks.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

oh and if I hear one "how can his OV be lower/higher than ......."

I swear i will start bitch slapping people

Sabres · Guru

K how about this then:D...
Sheldon "I let people by me 5 times a game" Souray has a 73 DF obviously because he got ice time in montreal.

Shea Weber got a 63 DF and is a very good defensively consious player-didn't get as much PK time because Nashville had so many D and in order to spread out the ice time with weber's great pp abilities put people like hamhuis for more PK time.

I don't know if there is a better way to do it, but i think there should be some emphasis on the team they're playing on. Because their is no question that Souray is far worse defensively than Weber.

CAPS · Member

If Weber was really that good defensively, he would have played more on the PK. Apparently Nashville's coaches (who I would wager have a tad more hockey knowledge than anyone in this league) felt that Zanon, Hamhuis, Suter, Lehtonen, Timonen, and Vishnevski were better on the PK than Weber.

The DF ratings aren't perfect, and Weber should be higher than a 63, but PK time is a pretty decent measuring stick.

Hawks GM 2 · Senior Member

Hey Bryce,

Sent you an email as well but Shane O'Brien and Mike Green got listed as centres somehow.

Cheers,
-D

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Valid point by Buffalo, and team PK success did have a slight effect on the DF rating, but if he doesn't play PK his DF will be low. Good counterpoint by Washington (man I need to get to know the newbies), obviously the Preds coaches felt better with the others out there, hence his DF will suffer.

And thanks for the heads up Dave, we'll get that addressed ASAP.

Sabres · Guru

Well what if trotz played hamhuis more in SH time because he was already playing weber lots of mins per night and hamhuis was just as capable of taking the SH duties. Weber and Hamhuis in my opinion are very close to the same defensive skills, however hamhuis with 80 DF and weber 63 df...just doesnt seem right.

Predsgm · Guru

you know what with no more timonin. we will definately see. who is the better of the two. hamuis or weber.. cause they are both top 3 on the team now defence core with zidlicky. but we know zidlicky is pure off. dman.. he is terrible definsively..

so right now. i see it is as is. the ratings.. and boy oh boy. will this discussion be closely watched the entire NHL season.. cause im my eyes.... mmm i somehow see Weber as better of the two.. don't know why. just i think he is there go to guy to play the PK.. quarterback the PP. and play approx. 30 minutes a nite in all situations.

David Barbosa
GM Preds

WildJamie · Senior Member

While I think you guys are both over-rating Weber, it is really not the point.
The ratings have to be based on numbers. So even if a guy has an off year, or is played less than you would like by a coach, that is the way it is gonna be. This is why I always check to see what a guy is doing for ice time, PK time, PP time, etc before I trade for him mid-season. Because I know regardless of what I think about this player, it is these things that will determine his ratings the following season. And i wouldnt want it any other way (except for very small adjustments) because I have seen some people's personal opinions when ratings are done that way, and it can get crazy.

Sabres · Guru

I don't really think you know how good weber is, but nice try. Weber>Phaneuf. I can understand your second point- I guess we can't make ratings subjective but the way we determine DF leave room for quite a bit of error, just as much as human error would be.

nuckfan · Veteran Member

Oh wow. Weber>Phaneuf? No comment.

Rates look pretty good, though my complaint is that there is still not a big enough range in the ratings. 43 assists gets you 73 PA while 22 assists gets you 64 PA. Only a 9 point differential in PA for twice as many assists. There is a huge amount of space to be used let's say from 40 to 99, but we seem to only use a small portion of it. Not just in the PA category but across the board.

Also, I noticed that some of the DF were adjusted from the BRHL1 site.

Mojzis was also moved from D to C.

Shawn (Wild)

Philippe27 · Guru

nuckfan wrote:

Oh wow. Weber>Phaneuf? No comment.

Rates look pretty good, though my complaint is that there is still not a big enough range in the ratings. 43 assists gets you 73 PA while 22 assists gets you 64 PA. Only a 9 point differential in PA for twice as many assists. There is a huge amount of space to be used let's say from 40 to 99, but we seem to only use a small portion of it. Not just in the PA category but across the board.

Also, I noticed that some of the DF were adjusted from the BRHL1 site.

Mojzis was also moved from D to C.

Shawn (Wild)

Agreed with this Shawn and I did my best to have it changed. I had an alternate set based on the current formulas just spread out more and I thought they looked much better but it was Eric's decision and he disagreed so not much I could do. I'm personally not a big fan of these ratings but not a huge deal, I'll live with them.

Sabres · Guru

nuckfan wrote:

Oh wow. Weber>Phaneuf? No comment.

Actually I believe Oh wow was your comment. So it should actually be "Oh wow Weber > Phaneuf? one comment."

How would you know? What do you turn on Sportscentre once a night and see Phaneuf hammer someone, or rip a howie from the point? Obviously.

Since you sure don't see his guarenteed 2-3 give aways or poor pinching options each game. Or the 10 Howies that miss the net for the 1 that does.

I live in Calgary, the Flames are my favortie team- usually people are more biased towards the team they love, but i've seen it to many times. And sure Weber makes his set of mistakes, but on the whole is more reliable.

CAPS · Member

Sabres wrote:

nuckfan wrote:

Oh wow. Weber>Phaneuf? No comment.

Actually I believe Oh wow was your comment. So it should actually be "Oh wow Weber > Phaneuf? one comment."

How would you know? What do you turn on Sportscentre once a night and see Phaneuf hammer someone, or rip a howie from the point? Obviously.

Since you sure don't see his guarenteed 2-3 give aways or poor pinching options each game. Or the 10 Howies that miss the net for the 1 that does.

I live in Calgary, the Flames are my favortie team- usually people are more biased towards the team they love, but i've seen it to many times. And sure Weber makes his set of mistakes, but on the whole is more reliable.

Jesus, did he beat your mother with a tuna or something?

Oh wow. You're taking this way too seriously. Oh wow.

Phaneuf > Weber

and I prefer Sportsnetnews idea