Draft Date

Sabres · Guru

RE: Draft Date

Sabres · Guru

What I wanna know is what kinda crack you guys are smoking to think it makes zero sense for a GM to pay 50 dollars and actually have a draft year in THE ENTIRE YEAR OF MEMBERSHIP which he paid for?! Wow.

WildJamie · Senior Member

It makes zero sense because you will have zero GMs that are leaving that have any interest. Not only that, but what is to stop a bitter GM that is leaving from drafting like an idiot?

WildJamie · Senior Member

AND, he does get a draft year... it is one of the first things he does when he signs up (if the previous GM left him some picks). If he doesnt like the fact the previous GM left him no picks, then he can deal his 08 picks to get some 07 picks....

Islanders GM · Senior Member

WildJamie wrote:

It makes zero sense because you will have zero GMs that are leaving that have any interest. Not only that, but what is to stop a bitter GM that is leaving from drafting like an idiot?

Excellent point.

In the first season, we had the initial draft! The newbie g.m.s get the entry draft to kick off their year.

Makes sense.

Sabres · Guru

WildJamie wrote:

It makes zero sense because you will have zero GMs that are leaving that have any interest. Not only that, but what is to stop a bitter GM that is leaving from drafting like an idiot?

LOL

Whats to stop a GM from trading all the picks to the following draft because he knows he wont use them anyways if hes leaving? Both systems have holes, but yours has more. A Gm pays 50 dollars to be in this league for 1 year. In that year, he gets the picks that are assigned to him. He can do what he chooses with them, fully knowing he has the chance to draft with them.

If GMs leave without caring about the draft. BPA is not a bad option at all because its how the actual draft went.

Itd be great if we could let a new GM draft, but it doesnt make sense. Not the other way around.

Sabres · Guru

Your system doesnt make sense because a new GM would never actually have his full alotment of picks when he came in. Why would 50 dollars buy you a chance to have an impact on TWO draft years?

Your suggesting letting a new GM Draft in 07 and also trade 08 picks. That doesnt make sense. You get 1 years alotment of picks for 50 dollars. If you want more, pay up. Its actually quite simple.

Philippe27 · Guru

I agree with Minnesota, none of the GM's leaving will give a damn about the draft, once the playoffs are over, to do anything with your team you have to pay the 50 bucks otherwise we'll have collusion and crap like that.

Yes a GM can trade away picks from 2008 if he knows he's leaving but it's better to trade them away and get something in return for them than have a GM not care draft ****ty players.

Nothing stops a GM from trading his 2008 picks even though he's leaving but that is one of the reasons why the BOD needs to be pretty strict regarding trades to make sure that if you trade the picks you actually get something in return.

Habs · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

no offence but maybe if you guys fricken paid attention when this discussion was going on. You missed the boat, tough luck. Go catch up and read the thread.

Unfortunately not all of us print off, memorize and idolize every thread and post that is made on this board. In the future I will dedicate all of my free time to the study and understanding of all posts made on the board with special attention given to those posts made by the Sabres organization.

nuckfan · Veteran Member

It's unfortunate that some GM's clearly don't have an understanding of FHL leagues, but what kind of messed up league would you have quitting GM's make picks for the new GM. I don't know why I'm even wasting my time commenting on this it's so rediculous. This is exactly the reason that teams aren't allowed to deal picks 2 and 3 years down the road.

I'm sure this will earn me a "no offense, but maybe if you guys fricken paid attention", but I think I can handle it.

Sabres · Guru

Alright well if the league goes with this then the year I plan to leave Im trading every single one of my picks that I can and prospects and making a massive cup run.

Good solution.

Sabres · Guru

Sorry for being long winded. I hate reading long notes but just trying to clear things up a bit.

I (luke) think the reason why aaron is most frustrated is because there was a thread about this a while ago and he actually was arguing for the way that you guys are. I tend to agree with the new Gm's draft but there are a few frustrations with that. As aaron says if we pay for these picks then we should pick with them before the actual year ends, right?

Some teams have traded their picks for next years draft, so they had to pay for next year.

I like the idea of giving the BPA to the team who's not comming back. Really who is going to care so much about destroying a league that they would try and draft a bad team and leave. If anything they are going to trade those picks if they are going to leave. And they had the right to do so.

I think the best possible solution is:
1) New GMs pick their team from a dispersal of all the players from all the teams not comming back.
2) The new Gm does not get to pick their players in the entry draft. The old Gm does not get to pick the players in the entry draft. Eric and Bryce award the team the BPA per how the actual draft went.

I would honestly like to agree and grant the new GMs ability to pick their entry players, but as an example of how this is flawed we'll look at NYR. He has traded away all his 08 picks but has paid for this commings year's season already. The reason he could trade his 08 picks is because those picks belong to that season. So logically someone whos paid for the 07 season (brhl2 season 1) has the rights to those picks. Should he get to pick with them if hes not comming back, I dont think so, but should the new Gm get to pick with them also? No. So we meet in the middle.

Luke

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

The new Gm does not get to pick their players in the entry draft. The old Gm does not get to pick the players in the entry draft. Eric and Bryce award the team the BPA per how the actual draft went.

This is hypocritical of what you guys have been saying all along.

If you are not going to allow the old GM to make the picks in the entry draft, ( which is ludicris cause he will never show up for it anyhow .) then you might as well allow the new GM to do so. Besides I don't think the old GM is too worried about whether he gets to make those picks or not. Who is coming back should be determined long before the draft anyhow.

New GM's should get the right to pick in the draft. What GM would pay to not have the chance to hold its own destiny.

Aaron and Luke IMO you guys are a pain in the ass,however I agree with a lot that you say,and think you are good for the league in a lot of ways, but this is not one of those times.
I think you need to take a step back and consider why it is so important to you that this is the way it needs to be. I doubt the old GM will be complaining about it so why should you ?

If I was not given the opportunity to pick in the draft for my team why would I join ? The money you pay is not for the right to get everything in the season, but for the right to GM a team. Otherwise we would never be letting go Gm's mid stream like we did for lack of activity.

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 14:24, 2007-06-21

Sabres · Guru

First off- I (luke) haven't had any opinions about this-nor do I really care. Honestly I could give a SH if new Gms or Old Gms pick. I was trying to give a suggestion for another option.

Do I think the new Gms should draft? Yes.
Technically does the gm have a right to his picks even if he is leaving? Yes.

So I was trying to find a middle ground. Sue me for trying to end the aruging.

I also don't really appreciate you calling me or aaron a pain in the .... because of this.

Aaron has a right to argue for the other way-It doesn't mean it will go that way but he still can have an opinon about how he thinks things should be run.

-- Edited by Sabres at 15:31, 2007-06-21

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

You know Luke I have nothing against either of you, but you guys never give it a rest. You constantly bitch and complain about everything. It is one thing to make mere suggestions, it is another to sit on a public forum and whine about every little thing. And don't say Aaron or yourself do not.Unfortunately I do not know which of you two is the biggest whiner, but we have to go by both of you.

If you have something creative to say then fantastic, if you have a question or query about something or even a possibility of suggesting a better possible solution then great, but if you have nothing better to do than to get on a public forum and whine about every littler thing you disagree with then this is wrong. Take it up with the commishes on email, not on a public forum. You constantly go out of your way to do the commishes job which I am sure he enjoys sometimes, but you go too far sometimes. This is there league and they will go at their pace and schedule not yours !!! We don't care what date is good for you and when you feel it should all be done at.

It is a long summer without hockey and all will happen in good time. Nothing wrong with being super active but be fair with your comments and if you are so concerned with what is right and wrong with the league why don't both of you run your own pay league and then you can run it your way. Simple ! Again let me make myself clear, I am not against you guys at all, you just get too carried away with your thoughts.

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 16:16, 2007-06-21