BRHL2 Schedule

Philippe27 · Guru

RE: BRHL2 Schedule

VanIslander · Guru

The NHL is quite competitive these days, with only 16 points seperating 1st from 8th in the East (compared to 13 points in the brhl2 eastern conference). The west has three elite teams, so the spread is greater between 1st and 8th (20 points) but most people believe that the three best teams in the NHL are in the west!! a very strong conference. In the brhl2 we have three strong western teams all season long: Phoenix (who i predicted would be a dangerous contender back in Novenber!), Dallas (with the top scorching line all season long), Minnesota (which made an early trade for two top-20 scorers, Zetterberg and Morrison on a clicking team) and then there's a fourth strong team which only recently raised to the top-4 standings: Columbus (which made the 2nd most trades in the league to stockpile for short term success). The sim has done a good job overall of simulating real play without yo-yo changes, other than a few winning streaks (except for the puzzle which is the habs, which is all chemistry, and credit to the g.m. for not tinkering with what has been working).

The nhl is so competitive this season and it's said that ANY team can win the east and that the west might be likewise if the top few teams in that conference didn't look that strong. parity in the new nhl is a beautiful thing, and in the brhl2 it's nice too. I EXPECT upsets in the playoffs. If it started today, #1 Montreal would meet #8 Philadelphia and I predict an upset, because overachievers have to hit the wall sometime and Philly epitomizes underachievers. We don't have many of them, but these two teams are the EXCEPTIONAL case of high over/under achievers. Nice to see a few in a league.

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Are we also forgetting that every team in this league started out at the same level at the begining of the year, with nothing.

The arguement that there are too many competitive teams is the worst idea i've read on here. Teams drafted their players in a League draft, essenially having similarly skilled teams. In the next 2-3 years you'll start to see less parity, but when everyone starts out the same, you're going to have a lot of even teams.

Philippe27 · Guru

Eric_Calgary wrote:

Are we also forgetting that every team in this league started out at the same level at the begining of the year, with nothing.

The arguement that there are too many competitive teams is the worst idea i've read on here. Teams drafted their players in a League draft, essenially having similarly skilled teams. In the next 2-3 years you'll start to see less parity, but when everyone starts out the same, you're going to have a lot of even teams.

Who cares if it started that way, compare Columbus's team's with Montreal's. Montreal shouldn't even be allowe don the same ice as them.

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Ok, then I won't sim tonights games. Who should win, I'll do that the rest of the year.

You know since games are played on paper now.

"It's why you play the game"

I understand that they are an overachiever. OK. And...?

They found a way for it to work for them, by luck / skill / however. It happened.

Philippe27 · Guru

Eric_Calgary wrote:

Ok, then I won't sim tonights games. Who should win, I'll do that the rest of the year.

You know since games are played on paper now.

"It's why you play the game"

I understand that they are an overachiever. OK. And...?

They found a way for it to work for them, by luck / skill / however. It happened.

Dude I know there will be upsets and there have to be and there will be luck and there has to be but there is a middle ground.

VanIslander · Guru

on paper #8 seed Edmonton had NO business going to the stanley cup finals game 7 last postseason

there's always an exceptional case every once in a while

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Isn't the middle ground the parity in the league? That the league is fairly open.

I understand all of your concerns, but this is some of your first year in a system that has been used for the better part of 7 years. This league is different than others and it's ratings are different than others. The Sim takes the ratings and makes its version of an outcome.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Philippe27 wrote:

I'm also not really talking about using my ratings because I use different formulas and it's not fair to change at this point. Just fix the current ones, make them furhter a part so that it's actually worth something having Crosby or Lecavalier on your team and that they're not just other players.

You're making it sound as if this is back in the 80s, where Gretzky was getting over 200 points in a season. Crosby and Lecavalier are superstars to be sure. But let's also be realistic. They aren't 50 points more than the next player on the list.

Also don't confuse "nothing can be done" with "nothing needs to be done".

Philippe27 · Guru

Eric_Calgary wrote:

Isn't the middle ground the parity in the league? That the league is fairly open.

I understand all of your concerns, but this is some of your first year in a system that has been used for the better part of 7 years. This league is different than others and it's ratings are different than others. The Sim takes the ratings and makes its version of an outcome.

If it was real parity that's cool but right now it's making GM's believr they have a good team when they don't.
I can you tell me that when you have Alexei Yashin with 99 points playing with 2 ****ty wingers that nothing needs to be done. There's barely any difference between the players and that's why you get things like these.

Philippe27 · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

I'm also not really talking about using my ratings because I use different formulas and it's not fair to change at this point. Just fix the current ones, make them furhter a part so that it's actually worth something having Crosby or Lecavalier on your team and that they're not just other players.
You're making it sound as if this is back in the 80s, where Gretzky was getting over 200 points in a season. Crosby and Lecavalier are superstars to be sure. But let's also be realistic. They aren't 50 points more than the next player on the list.

Also don't confuse "nothing can be done" with "nothing needs to be done".

They're not 50 points better but they should be top 10 scorers in almost every sim season, making them 2-3 SC pts better than a guy with way less goals won,t make these guys the special players in the sim that they are in the NHL.

Sabres · Guru

Great so you're saying I'm biased.
-- Edited by Philippe27 at 18:09, 2007-03-19

No. Of course not. Im saying you're untrustworthy. Haha jk..but seriously would you want me doing the ratings for the whole league?
OF course not. I think we should look at determining a formula for each category that pleases the majority.

One thing I'd like to see implemented, is people being based for defense as relative to their team for one aspect.

Ex. (these are completely made up numbers) If shane doan is -10 on phx but still leads his team in +/-, he shouldnt be looked at as much worse defensively than jagr who is +10. You know what i mean? But i think +/- should have some effect to defense.

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Great so you're saying I'm biased.
-- Edited by Philippe27 at 18:09, 2007-03-19

No. Of course not. Im saying you're untrustworthy. Haha jk..but seriously would you want me doing the ratings for the whole league?
OF course not. I think we should look at determining a formula for each category that pleases the majority.

One thing I'd like to see implemented, is people being based for defense as relative to their team for one aspect.

Ex. (these are completely made up numbers) If shane doan is -10 on phx but still leads his team in +/-, he shouldnt be looked at as much worse defensively than jagr who is +10. You know what i mean? But i think +/- should have some effect to defense.

I agree with you, in my ratings I use PK time (adjusted based on team's PIM), Blocked shots, Team PK% and Team SA/G, I never liked +/- so I never use it but that's what I found to adjust DF ratings based on the team.

I just think ratings are THE most imporant thing in a league and from the beginning in this league it's been "no no these are the ratings". I'm just asking to be a little open-minded, I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks players need to be further apart.

PHO · Senior Member

This is a fu*king joke.

We all drafted from scratch, so of course this league will be more competitive than a league where everyone starts with actual NHL rosters. I understand that people want a "perfect" league, but it's a SIM.

Ok, so there are these other great ratings out there and they are sure to be so realistic. Will they produce Kevin Bieksa being such a good dman? Will they have Jason Blake scoring nearly 40 goals? Will they ensure that Jaromir Jagr gets ONLY 25 goals like he has in the real NHL???? The fact is that yes it is a sim, and not everything that happens will be realistic...just like Jagr only getting 25 goals in the NHL. I like the randomness. And just like the NHL, you can have all the stars you have but you need chemistry. I know, I know, the sim does not account for chemistry, but let's all close our eyes and pretend that the randomness equals chemistry.

Everyone quit their god damn whining. Sure, suggestions to improve a league are great, but everytime I come to this board I feel like I am reading the same s*hit over and over.

Philippe27 · Guru

PHO wrote:

This is a fu*king joke.

We all drafted from scratch, so of course this league will be more competitive than a league where everyone starts with actual NHL rosters. I understand that people want a "perfect" league, but it's a SIM.

Ok, so there are these other great ratings out there and they are sure to be so realistic. Will they produce Kevin Bieksa being such a good dman? Will they have Jason Blake scoring nearly 40 goals? Will they ensure that Jaromir Jagr gets ONLY 25 goals like he has in the real NHL???? The fact is that yes it is a sim, and not everything that happens will be realistic...just like Jagr only getting 25 goals in the NHL. I like the randomness. And just like the NHL, you can have all the stars you have but you need chemistry. I know, I know, the sim does not account for chemistry, but let's all close our eyes and pretend that the randomness equals chemistry.

Everyone quit their god damn whining. Sure, suggestions to improve a league are great, but everytime I come to this board I feel like I am reading the same s*hit over and over.

Well you don't have to read it, there's basically 3 GM's here keeping this board alive so I think we should be allowed to voice our opinions.
Also, right now we are playing the 2005-06 season, not the 2006-07 season so your Jagr and Bieksa arguments make no sense. What it would be nice is that next year since Bieksa had such a great season in the NHL that he is actually a good defenseman unlike right now where it seems that all the d-men are basically the same.