Top Forwards for next year everyone total theirs up :)

Habs · Senior Member

Top Forwards for next year everyone total theirs up :)

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Habs wrote:
Also saying that this is your personal opinion and not the BRHL’s is kind of pointless considering you run this league (which is much appreciated) and your opinions are reflected in league decisions, such as allowing questionable sources at best to be good enough to allow a position change.

Actually it does have a point. Mainly, because I do not think the the rule needs to change past a further clarification for the future. There are a lot of different opinions I have on the FHL and BRHL2, but decide to keep them out of the league. Keeping a healthy medium, mixed in with Bryce's ideas, the input of the B.O.D. and GMs alike.

I think there is reason to believe that forwards can be inter-changeable for all 3 positions. Certian players may adjust differently, and have. But I think that the way it is the league is fine. People appearently disagree, which is healthy.

Sabres · Guru

Is there any chance at revisiting this at the end of the season and having a vote or something?

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Sabres wrote:

Is there any chance at revisiting this at the end of the season and having a vote or something?

Atleast a better idea of what sites to use will be added to the rules, if they haven't already. To put it to vote is a possibility, or atleast revisiting it in the off-season, yes. It's also open for discussion now, if any other GMs would like to comment, feel free.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Eric_Calgary wrote:

If you'll notice, in my original post discussing this issue I pointed it out that this was my personal opinion. Not that of the BRHL2's.

"We have Crosby, Kopitar, Pavelski, Zajac that will gladly fit in on the wings."

Not sure about the others, but Crosby played a good portion of his rookie season on the wings. And played sporadically on the LW this season. I'm sure each of those players have spent some time this season on the wings. Which supports my point that coaches will manage their lines to make players fit. Crosby was on the wing because he played with Lemieux and Hilbert (later on) last year. It was the coaches decision, something that is also capable of happening in the FHL world.

Indeed it is a coach's decision to play a person out of position, just like in the real NHL. And just like in the real NHL, the vast majority of the time, when you play someone out of position, their efficiency goes down. Just like it does if you play someone out of position in an FHL game. There's absolutely nothing stopping any GM in the BRHL2 from playing a LW at C or RW for any game... nothing. He just loses effeciency as he should.

Sabres · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

Eric_Calgary wrote:

If you'll notice, in my original post discussing this issue I pointed it out that this was my personal opinion. Not that of the BRHL2's.

"We have Crosby, Kopitar, Pavelski, Zajac that will gladly fit in on the wings."

Not sure about the others, but Crosby played a good portion of his rookie season on the wings. And played sporadically on the LW this season. I'm sure each of those players have spent some time this season on the wings. Which supports my point that coaches will manage their lines to make players fit. Crosby was on the wing because he played with Lemieux and Hilbert (later on) last year. It was the coaches decision, something that is also capable of happening in the FHL world.

Indeed it is a coach's decision to play a person out of position, just like in the real NHL. And just like in the real NHL, the vast majority of the time, when you play someone out of position, their efficiency goes down. Just like it does if you play someone out of position in an FHL game. There's absolutely nothing stopping any GM in the BRHL2 from playing a LW at C or RW for any game... nothing. He just loses effeciency as he should.

Yes. But the problem comes when we change the position manually. Does he still lose effeciency?

VanIslander · Guru

Jagr LW - Recchi C - Holik RW

There had better be a loss of efficiency with that line formation!

Ovechkin C ?

I personally think that TSN is very thorough: if a player is playing more than one position this season they are listed as lw/c or w or f. If not, then not. Official changes should be limited to a few valid sources, for the integrity of the league.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

Yes. But the problem comes when we change the position manually. Does he still lose effeciency?

I don't know what you mean by "manually"... I'm referring to manually when I say that you as a GM, can play a forward out of position anytime you want... as in you manually input your LW to the RW position using the GM Editor...

Sabres · Guru

I know, but thats not what were talking about. were talking about GM's having the ability to send it in to the head office and have them change it when they dont even play the position giving them the equality as someone who only plays that position.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

I know, but thats not what were talking about. were talking about GM's having the ability to send it in to the head office and have them change it when they dont even play the position giving them the equality as someone who only plays that position.

I fully understand that you're talking about changing positions with the "head office", but it's an absolutely related topic without question. One of the arguements that was made was that NHL coaches have the ability to alter lines as need be to cover off injuries and for whatever other reasons. The point that I'm making is that we as BRHL2 GMs, have that exact same ability right now without having the league change the "official" position of a player. We have the ability to play a LW player on the RW if we want to using the GM Editor. And in fact, if anything it's an arguement against widespread "official" changing of positions because it's far more realistic to have to do it using the GM Editor. Like in real life, playing out of position causes a decrease in effectiveness.

We should not have the ability to move players "officially" unless that player truly can play that position as well as their "home" position. At least that's my opinion, based on the idea that we want things as realistic as possible.

Sabres · Guru

I agree.

WildJamie · Senior Member

I have been in leagues where you can only change your player's position in the offseason with proof from an official source. This is obviously more extreme, but I prefer it to the ridiculously loose system we have now.

Hawks_G · Guru

I challenge anyone to find a site that says Toby Petersen can play defense....which he is doing tonight for the Oilers...

Philippe27 · Guru

Hawks_G wrote:

I challenge anyone to find a site that says Toby Petersen can play defense....which he is doing tonight for the Oilers...

Oh snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

I'm kind of neutral on the topic, whatever you decide I'll deal with as long as it doesn't affect what's been done already.

Habs · Senior Member

I think the problem is not whether or not a player can play any position the GM wants him to, because honestly you should be able to put anyone any where. The problem is that the players play should decrease if he is playing out of position. I’ am under the impression that if the league changes a players position that his play will not be affected and if the player is simply player out of position by the GM that the sim will take that into account and his play will be affected. Can someone tell me if I got this right? Because really I could care less who plays where as long as the sim is taking into account that a player is not at his natural position. His is why I do not like that positions are being changed so easily by the league, because it is my understanding that when this is done that the players play will no longer be affected.