Top Forwards for next year everyone total theirs up :)

Philippe27 · Guru

RE: Top Forwards for next year everyone total theirs up :)

WildJamie · Senior Member

The point is:
The GM that owns the player can ask for a player change. I can't go look at your team and demand Joe Blow change to RW from LW because he is not listed at RW on any sites.
Players change positions over the years, and if a guy is currently at one position, he should not have to change until the GM that owns him asks for a change based on a league authorized source.

VanIslander · Guru

San Jose wrote:

My plan was to acquire young inexpensive NHL star players so that I can afford some elite UFAs to complete my roster... so far Im on track cause I have tons of cap room that a plan on using.

fill in the blanks below with guys like Jagr, Recchi Straka, Sundin etc.. and I feel i have a contender.... especially since I can afford to pay two UFAs the MAX

Ovechkin ------ Stall --------- ?
Wolski --------- Parise --------- ?
Michalek -------Vermette ------- Horton

I know it sucks when GMs rely on UFAs to be competitive, but given the fact that BRHL2 is set up in a way where there will be many UFAs each summer, I see no issue with using this strategy,,,,just like many NHL GMs do.

I agree, and plan likewise. But Sundin won't solve your right side, as he is only a C not a RW. Scott Walker will be a decently rated UFA RW.

My team intends to acquire two forwards via free agency and/or trade:

LW - C - Guerin
Peltonen-Metropolit-Nolan
Park-Hinote-Vigier
Clymer-Goc-Guerin

A forward will always be double shifted on the fourth line because 7 defensemen will be standard: Pothier, Corvo, Lydman, Nummelin, Eriksson, Oduya, Streit. (Of course a starting goalie to play in front of Norrena will be acquired via trade or free agency at some point too.)

-- Edited by VanIslander at 21:18, 2007-03-06

Sabres · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

Sabres wrote:

Once again, its about the fairness directly to you rather than the fairness of the league..What about the teams you beat because you have bergeron at winger? Is that fair? I could see if it somehow moved their rating down like the players level of play actually drops in the nhl would be fair, but it doesnt make any sense, and i dont care what you were told. You knew full well bergeron wasnt a winger..OH so you are telling me you wouldnt have traded for bergeron had you known that? Please...you raped him in the deal.. Its obvious that he doesnt play the wing.. SO what can I move kopitar to wing next year to play with crosby? Its the stupidest thing ever. TSN should be the standard Or we keep the 6 but at least 3 of the 6 need to confirm it. One source from a semi-credible website...right..

-- Edited by Sabres at 20:51, 2007-03-06
It was the deal for Briere, I said no originally because there's no point in having 3 star centres but then Bryce told me Bergeron could play RW and I checked with Eric and he said there was no problem because it says on TSN that in the text that he can play all forward positions.

TSN doesnt say bergeron can play RW. it ONLY says C.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

TSN doesnt say bergeron can play RW. it ONLY says C.

Not only that, but even if somewhere there was some text inside the player profile that said something like "bergeron can play all three positions if needed", that's certainly not the same as actually being able to play as effeciently as a home position.

This is just another example of why this should absolutely be revisited and sites knocked down to bring things back to reality. Who cares if a player played a different position is 2nd year of junior hockey, it doesn't mean he's still able to play that position without a loss of efficiency.

LAKings · Senior Member

Ponikarovsky (17-19) - Legwand (22-31) - Hartnell (22-15)
Hilbert (6-18) - Arkhipov (8-10) - Gordon (3-18)

That all really worth mentioning.. go LA.

Good thing we have a young d building.. Kronwall, Daley, Coburn, Timonen, Franson.. Doesn't hurt to keep Markov around to help stabilize it.

Philippe27 · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

Sabres wrote:
TSN doesnt say bergeron can play RW. it ONLY says C.

Not only that, but even if somewhere there was some text inside the player profile that said something like "bergeron can play all three positions if needed", that's certainly not the same as actually being able to play as effeciently as a home position.

This is just another example of why this should absolutely be revisited and sites knocked down to bring things back to reality. Who cares if a player played a different position is 2nd year of junior hockey, it doesn't mean he's still able to play that position without a loss of efficiency.

I think you're right but Eric and Bryce make the rule and I checked with both of them and both said it was fine. Now that it's done you can't just switch him back because that's unfair, I made this trade and Atlanta made trades with a guy playing at a certain position and you guy can't just decide that he should be switched back like Wild GM said.

Sabres · Guru

I understand your point of view TB, i really do. However, Checking with the commishes isnt sufficient evidence for position change. It doesnt say tsn.ca, nhlpa.com, bryce and eric. The procedure for position changes is an email to brhlhockey.ca with the link of the sources which show the positions.

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

I understand your point of view TB, i really do. However, Checking with the commishes isnt sufficient evidence for position change. It doesnt say tsn.ca, nhlpa.com, bryce and eric. The procedure for position changes is an email to brhlhockey.ca with the link of the sources which show the positions.

I did. I e-mailed Eric and said: I'd like Bergeron to be switched to RW. TSN says this: "Has the versatility to play any forward position." I'm not sure if that's enough, Bryce told me it was, if it's not then don't process the Briere deal.

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

The position changes I follow the links and check. If they suffice, or have some sort of other documentation (since position changes aren't really monitored for changes) then I'll allow.

In general, I've always worked under a mentality, not for this league, but that Most forwards can play any forward position. Sure they have their natural position. But in the many years of watching hockey I've found plenty of examples where players will play "out of position" so they can maintain in a lineup or on a top line or two. I think it's kinda moot point. I think if teams like ours were real, and based on NHL Style of coaching, players (forwards) wouldn't have much of a problem if they needed to change a position to fit on a better line. The good teams of the past - DET, PHI, COL, OTT, the ones who were deep with forwards found a way to do it, not really mattering on their natural position.

Sabres · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

Sabres wrote:

I understand your point of view TB, i really do. However, Checking with the commishes isnt sufficient evidence for position change. It doesnt say tsn.ca, nhlpa.com, bryce and eric. The procedure for position changes is an email to brhlhockey.ca with the link of the sources which show the positions.
I did. I e-mailed Eric and said: I'd like Bergeron to be switched to RW. TSN says this: "Has the versatility to play any forward position." I'm not sure if that's enough, Bryce told me it was, if it's not then don't process the Briere deal.

Well its not enough. Bryce made a mistake. That scouting report came from tsn after he got done playing juniors, which he probably was versitile in juniors, but fact is he hasnt played it since being in the NHL.

I tend to disagree with eric as well. Players can play other positions yes, but most player take a hit to their game when they move positions. Look at Tanguay for the flames, talented guy, right? He couldn't do the change to center, he looked horrible. I'm fine with people being able to try other posistions that obviously aren't their own, but there needs to be some rating decrease or something..

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

The production of the player in a different position doesn't matter one bit. It boils down to that they can / will play that position. For every player who has struggled with a position change there is one that has excelled. The production will be reflected in their new ratings (at the end of the year), the position changes are merely an accessory for the play if the GM needs to fit the player into a different line situation.

Habs · Senior Member

So does this mean that all forwards can play any forward postion without penalty? Because thats what I shoulds like. We may as well just have 3 positions then Forward, Defense and Goalie.

Sabres · Guru

Habs wrote:

So does this mean that all forwards can play any forward postion without penalty? Because thats what I shoulds like. We may as well just have 3 positions then Forward, Defense and Goalie.

Exactly. Believe me that interpretation of the rule is very beneficial to the Sabres. We have Crosby, Kopitar, Pavelski, Zajac that will gladly fit in on the wings. But is it realistic? No. However, if that is the rule we will fully use it.

-- Edited by Sabres at 15:42, 2007-03-07

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Sabres wrote:

Habs wrote:

So does this mean that all forwards can play any forward postion without penalty? Because thats what I shoulds like. We may as well just have 3 positions then Forward, Defense and Goalie.

Exactly. Believe me that interpretation of the rule is very beneficial to the Sabres. We have Crosby, Kopitar, Pavelski, Zajac that will gladly fit in on the wings. But is it realistic? No. However, if that is the rule we will fully use it.

-- Edited by Sabres at 15:42, 2007-03-07

If you'll notice, in my original post discussing this issue I pointed it out that this was my personal opinion. Not that of the BRHL2's.

"We have Crosby, Kopitar, Pavelski, Zajac that will gladly fit in on the wings."

Not sure about the others, but Crosby played a good portion of his rookie season on the wings. And played sporadically on the LW this season. I'm sure each of those players have spent some time this season on the wings. Which supports my point that coaches will manage their lines to make players fit. Crosby was on the wing because he played with Lemieux and Hilbert (later on) last year. It was the coaches decision, something that is also capable of happening in the FHL world.