Handicapping the Divisional/Conference Races

VanIslander · Guru

RE: Handicapping the Divisional/Conference Races

Philippe27 · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:
You can beat eachother as much as you want, it keeps you at .500, not 25 games below lol

He has a point philippe.

New Jersey leads the Atlantic yet only managed one win in five games against my lowly Islanders. We do beat each other up in this division, hence no inflated top end teams. Our division has three teams with winning records, as does the Southeast. And in fact Atlantic teams have MORE wins against Eastern conference opponents than does Southeastern teams!! LOL (89 to 88).

And your Tampa Bay Lightning has only managed to sweep one Atlantic team, the Rangers.

No top teams but you have 2 ****ty teams.
and who cares if you have more wins vs the east, all that means is ur record vs the west is 49-69 and the southeast is 69-52.
and do I care how good my division is? no I don't.
I care about how good my team is and I don't use lame excuses that make no sense to explain it.

-- Edited by Philippe27 at 20:20, 2007-02-21

VanIslander · Guru

The Rangers 20 wins have been against 16 different teams and yet has taken the piss out of my Isles four times! Atlantic teams beat each other up regardless of standing. Compare that to the Northeast where Montreal and Ottawa sit atop with a ton of points because they dominate the season series against Buffalo and Toronto.

Remember, we play eight (8) games against each divisional opponent and a mere two (2) games against non-divisional opponents. Hence the inflated top enders in divisions with a team or two to consistently beat.

VanIslander · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

who cares if you have more wins vs the east, all that means is ur record vs the west is 49-69 and the southeast is 69-52.

Uh... play against one's own conference is waaaaay more important than against the other conference as one has to go through three (3) conference opponents before a single series against the other conference.

And Tampa has only 12 wins against playoff-positioned teams and 18 loses against playoff-positioned teams. That's a 12-18 losing record. The Lightning have been beating up against lowly teams in both conferences!

Philippe27 · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

The Rangers 20 wins have been against 16 different teams and yet has taken the piss out of my Isles four times! Atlantic teams beat each other up regardless of standing. Compare that to the Northeast where Montreal and Ottawa sit atop with a ton of points because they dominate the season series against Buffalo and Toronto.

Remember, we play eight (8) games against each divisional opponent and a mere two (2) games against non-divisional opponents. Hence the inflated top enders in divisions with a team or two to consistently beat.

I know but there's a difference between :
-having no top teams and 3 teams just above .500 and 2 way below like your division and -having no top teams and 5 teams above .500 like the Northwest in the NHL

Philippe27 · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

who cares if you have more wins vs the east, all that means is ur record vs the west is 49-69 and the southeast is 69-52.

Uh... play against one's own conference is waaaaay more important than against the other conference as one has to go through three (3) conference opponents before a single series against the other conference.

And Tampa has only 12 wins against playoff-positioned teams and 18 loses against playoff-positioned teams. That's a 12-18 losing record. The Lightning have been beating up against lowly teams in both conferences!

I'll see you in the playoffs then...

Oops I won't

VanIslander · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

I don't use lame excuses that make no sense to explain it.

Let me put it clearly: Phoenix and Dallas are good but their position atop their conference is a result of beating up on two of the four worst teams in the league, L.A. and San Jose, each of whom they play eight (8) times!!

Likewise Ottawa and Montreal have been getting tons of points against bottom teams Buffalo and Toronto, whom they meet a combined 16 times.

In contrast, the bottom two teams in the Atlantic division has had success against the top three teams in the division, my Isles only losing 1 in 5 games against leading Devils, as an example. If the devils had beaten my Isles the way the Canadiens have dominated the Sabres, then the Devils would have 8 more points in the standings, 2nd place, well more than any team in the Southeast.

Pitts comment was valid: we are taking the piss out of each other in the Atlantic. And each team plays 32 games against divisional opponents, so it becomes a significant factor in the standings. So you can't look at the standings and go, oh, the Atlantic division must be so bad, the Devils, Bruins, Penguins so weak, because they don't have as many points int he standings... you gotta look at who the wins and losses are against!! crunch numbers, do analyses, get some homework done.

Philippe27 · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

I don't use lame excuses that make no sense to explain it.

Let me put it clearly: Phoenix and Dallas are good but their position atop their conference is a result of beating up on two of the four worst teams in the league, L.A. and San Jose, each of whom they play eight (8) times!!

Likewise Ottawa and Montreal have been getting tons of points against bottom teams Buffalo and Toronto, whom they meet a combined 16 times.

In contrast, the bottom two teams in the Atlantic division has had success against the top three teams in the division, my Isles only losing 1 in 5 games against leading Devils, as an example. If the devils had beaten my Isles the way the Canadiens have dominated the Sabres, then the Devils would have 8 more points in the standings, 2nd place, well more than any team in the Southeast.

Pitts comment was valid: we are taking the piss out of each other in the Atlantic. And each team plays 32 games against divisional opponents, so it becomes a significant factor in the standings. So you can't look at the standings and go, oh, the Atlantic division must be so bad, the Devils, Bruins, Penguins so weak, because they don't have as many points int he standings... you gotta look at who the wins and losses are against!! crunch numbers, do analyses, get some homework done.

What you can do is look at how many points each divison has at the end of the season and right now we're 16 games away from that and the Atlantic is the worst I believe.

VanIslander · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:
What you can do is look at how many points each divison has at the end of the season and right now we're 16 games away from that and the Atlantic is the worst I believe.

*sigh*

Good day.

Habs · Senior Member

The Atlantic Division can beat up on each other all they want, but with the amount of bottom feeders there you think that at least one team would be able to break away from the pack of meritocracy. Good teams beat the weak opponents, squeak out the close games and fight like hell to go .500 against the top teams. No one in the Atlantic has done this. They continue to lose to bad teams, and that’s the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, and being a good team and a bad one.

Philippe27 · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:
What you can do is look at how many points each divison has at the end of the season and right now we're 16 games away from that and the Atlantic is the worst I believe.

*sigh*

Good day.

Thank you, you too lol

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

And the Northeast has 3 very good teams, I think my Bruins qualify for that now, and Toronto had been respectable until late in the season when they started to sell. Granted Buffalo has sucked all year and we've beaten up on them, but I'd venture to say that prior to dismantling, the Leafs were a better team than Pittsburgh, and had they played in that division, they'd be in the 6-4 range in the conference.

The Atlantic is easily the worst division, the argument that they beat up on each other is simply because the top teams are mediocre and can't beat the bottom feeders. There's no reason they shouldn't have 6-2 records or better against the New York teams, because they don't shows how mediocre the Pens-Devils-Flyers really are.

Philippe27 · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

And the Northeast has 3 very good teams, I think my Bruins qualify for that now, and Toronto had been respectable until late in the season when they started to sell. Granted Buffalo has sucked all year and we've beaten up on them, but I'd venture to say that prior to dismantling, the Leafs were a better team than Pittsburgh, and had they played in that division, they'd be in the 6-4 range in the conference.

The Atlantic is easily the worst division, the argument that they beat up on each other is simply because the top teams are mediocre and can't beat the bottom feeders. There's no reason they shouldn't have 6-2 records or better against the New York teams, because they don't shows how mediocre the Pens-Devils-Flyers really are.

Bryce for president!

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

Philippe27 wrote:

Pittsburgh GM wrote:

Atlantic is not a bad division, just we all beat the snot out of each other over here.
TAMPA WROTE:
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Is that why you guys are a combined 25 games below .500
You can beat eachother as much as you want, it keeps you at .500, not 25 games below lol
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Ok touche for what you said except you left out a lot of information, Islanders and Rangers are both a combined 25 under therefore the rest of the division is at least 500 against everyone else also from the five teams in our division you have a winning record against only 2 Philly who you beat only 6 - 4 and the Rangers who you only beat by one goal in both games you played them. hardly dominating numbers however you have been less than impressive against the woeful Islanders only splitting your series with them and have been smoked GF to GA against moi

Since your team is one of the better teams in the league I would like to think that you should be beating us worse but if you are so proud of your team how about any remaining games you have against our division you put in your back up.

I mean after all we should be pushovers !

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 14:30, 2007-02-22

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 14:32, 2007-02-22

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

Habs wrote:

The Atlantic Division can beat up on each other all they want, but with the amount of bottom feeders there you think that at least one team would be able to break away from the pack of meritocracy. Good teams beat the weak opponents, squeak out the close games and fight like hell to go .500 against the top teams. No one in the Atlantic has done this. They continue to lose to bad teams, and that’s the difference between playoffs and no playoffs, and being a good team and a bad one.

BRUINS WROTE:
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The Atlantic is easily the worst division, the argument that they beat up on each other is simply because the top teams are mediocre and can't beat the bottom feeders. There's no reason they shouldn't have 6-2 records or better against the New York teams, because they don't shows how mediocre the Pens-Devils-Flyers really are

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LMAO This is funny

Montreal only 2 games over 500 against all Atlantic Clubs but only .500 against both Islanders and Rangers teams they should be beating easily ! and being outscored in total by one of them and dead even with the other, but best of all is the MIGHTY BRUINS or as Phillippe stated EL PRESIDENTE !

Boston is a wonderful .500 against the Islanders, .500 against the Flyers, 1 win and a tie against the woeful Rangers and 0-2 against the Devils who have nailed them 13 to 3 in goals and 0-1 against the Penguins who whipped their butts 5 - 2

Now thats what I call complete domination !    For the Atlantic Division !

Way To Go Atlantic !