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Signing Bonus-Does it count towards cap?


ii. Unrestricted free agency will work simply on a highest bidder format.

iii. A team that has had a player for more than one full season will get a home discount in that a player will give the home team a 10% discount in negotiations. So a 1 year 1 million offer from another team is equal to a 1 year 900k offer from their prior team.

iv. Once a bid is placed on a player another team has 48 hours to bid more for that player’s service. If no one bid’s higher, that player will sign

v. When a team that has the home team discount bids on a player, the value of the bid will be displayed as a 100% offer. So if a home team offers 1 year for 1.8 million per season it will be displayed as a 2 million dollar bid.

vi. Signing bonuses may not exceed have the TOTAL contract amount. So a 4 year 2 million dollar offer may not have a signing bonus of more than 4 million.

vii. The total value of a bid on a UFA is calculated by; (yearly salary + (total signing bonus/years)). So in the prior example of a 4 year 2 million dollar deal with a 4 million dollar signing bonus that is worth 3 million per season.

viii. The player will sign with whichever team offers them the highest average salary per season.

ix. Teams must have the money in their current finances in able to offer signing bonuses, and may not go into the negative from paying the signing bonuses.

x. Teams may NOT release players during unrestricted free agency. The only transactions allowed during free agency are actual trades between teams.

xi. Teams may exceed the cap during the off-season, by no more than 3 million per season.

C. Signing Bonuses

i. All signing bones cannot exceed 50% of the total years value of the contract. For example a 3 year deal worth $1,000,000 per season would equal a signing bonus of a maximum of $1,500,000. Please adhere to this formula when sending in offers: (Contract Length x Dollar Amount) / 2 = Maximum Signing Bonus.


For some reason it has been said that it would not count towards the cap. However, the real NHL doesnt work this way AND it doesnt say this in the rules.

Seems pretty clear to me what that means but for some reason lots of GMs still thing the Signing Bonus shouldnt count.




-- Edited by Sabres at 00:13, 2007-02-20

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Seems pretty clear to me what that means but for some reason lots of GMs still thing the Signing Bonus shouldnt count.

 Hum?

To me this is pretty clear:

" I. The salary cap is defined as the pro payroll."


 




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So......this still says nothing about the signing bonus. Which in the NHL is just added on as a part of the pro payroll. If a player makes 1 million plus 1 million signing bonus for 1 year..his payroll says 2 million..

It doesnt say "The Salary Cap is defined as the pro payroll which is the yearly salary only not counting Signing Bonus"

WHat you dont get is that Signing Bonus is a PART of salary. Unless otherwise defined, which it's not.

The whole concept of a signing bonus came from players wanted some up front money to make them happier. It has nothing to do with the logistics of the contract. It still gets factored in to a yearly contract average which is on the payroll.


-- Edited by Sabres at 00:26, 2007-02-20

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Sabres wrote:

So......this still says nothing about the signing bonus. Which in the NHL is just added on as a part of the pro payroll. If crosby makes 1 million plus 1 million signing for 1 year..his payroll says 2 million..

It doesnt say "The Salary Cap is defined as the pro payroll which is the yearly salary only"
WHat you dont get is that Signing Bonus is a PART of salary. Unless otherwise defined, which it's not.


You gotta be freaking kidding me.
You're just trying to twist the rules when it's extremely clear, this is pointless, I'll let Bryce argue with you, I got better things to do.

 



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At a loss for words once I see Philippe....I wonder why...

Twisting? I havent twisted it in one way..not even close..

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"The total value of a bid on a UFA is calculated by; (yearly salary + (total signing bonus/years))."
Yearly salary and signing bonus are clearly saparated here.
Yearly salary is what goes in the sim and what counts under pro payroll.

There's really no point in arguing further cuz we both know this has been addressed before and we both know exactly where Bryce and Eric stand on this so why are you even arguing this?

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Clearly?

THat leaves up to a lot of interpretation.

Clearly would be: The signing bonus does not count toward the payroll.

I agree. Lets see where they stand.

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Sabres wrote:

Clearly?

THat leaves up to a lot of interpretation.

Clearly would be: The signing bonus does not count toward the payroll.

I agree. Lets see where they stand.



We already know where the league stands.  As mentioned, this was discussed in depth months ago, and a decision was made.  Changes were made to the percentages that can be done for SBs, but they do count towards the cap.

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Without reading any of the arguments cause we've been over them before. the league states

"SIGNING BONUSES DO NOT COUNT AGAINST THE CAP"

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Where?

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http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=85830&p=3&topicID=9484387&commentPage=0&topicPage=7

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I see a thread of discussion. Nothing in the rules. Now i can understand if a decision was officially made and just hasnt been posted yet, but what I can't understand is that you can be so stubborn to think that just because you thought the SB wouldnt count towards the cap and that you would be so hard done by a change, you leave no room for the fact that others thought it was another way.

However I would like Bryce and Eric to look at this:

If we have to have the signing bonus not count against the cap. Can we look at reducing the 50%. 50% is an obsurd amount.

I know you guys want to reward the people who have made money, but with the sponsorships, i'm pretty sure most people will have a lot of money. TB's arguement is that since we have so much money and lots of people will have it, why not just keep it at 50% since lots of people can afford it. However, that leaves a lot of room for top team to stack up by paying UFAs the majority in bonus. I don't see how you guys don't see this as bad for the league?

A solution: reduce the SB from 50% of the total contract to somewhere from 20-30%. And considerably reduce the amount of sponsorship, cut them in half. I think this is a pretty good compromise, I know TB will have some problem with it, but im interested to se what others think.

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Sabres wrote:

I see a thread of discussion. Nothing in the rules. Now i can understand if a decision was officially made and just hasnt been posted yet, but what I can't understand is that you can be so stubborn to think that just because you thought the SB wouldnt count towards the cap and that you would be so hard done by a change, you leave no room for the fact that others thought it was another way.

However I would like Bryce and Eric to look at this:

If we have to have the signing bonus not count against the cap. Can we look at reducing the 50%. 50% is an obsurd amount.

I know you guys want to reward the people who have made money, but with the sponsorships, i'm pretty sure most people will have a lot of money. TB's arguement is that since we have so much money and lots of people will have it, why not just keep it at 50% since lots of people can afford it. However, that leaves a lot of room for top team to stack up by paying UFAs the majority in bonus. I don't see how you guys don't see this as bad for the league?

A solution: reduce the SB from 50% of the total contract to somewhere from 20-30%. And considerably reduce the amount of sponsorship, cut them in half. I think this is a pretty good compromise, I know TB will have some problem with it, but im interested to se what others think.


You probably don't care about my opinion but I will say anyways that if we reduce sponsorships and make money harder to earn, on first thought I don't think I'd have a problem with this, as long as it's next off-season and not the upcoming one.

 



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