L.A. and Vancouver are violating the salary floor

VanIslander · Guru

L.A. and Vancouver are violating the salary floor

Philippe27 · Guru

I told Eric about it and the fine for violating the floor is only 250k.
It should be changed next season because 250k and losing top paid player, big difference there.

philly · Guru

to be honest though, i think in terms of keeping the league healthy as a whole, it should just be money taken away from these clubs, because I dont want their squads to be any worse off than they already are.

i understand that LA just got here as well and maybe wasnt 100% familiar with the rules....

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

In regards to floor punishment I think Highest draft pick in the next draft at the time of violation, is a much better one than either of the others. If it is fair to take a top player from a over the cap team then it should either be likewise for the floor or draft pick.

As far as LA being a new GM, that is no excuse ! It is up to all of us to understand all rules as stated they were there when we paid and agreed upon.

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 12:22, 2007-02-12

VanIslander · Guru

philly wrote:

to be honest though, i think in terms of keeping the league healthy as a whole, it should just be money taken away from these clubs, because I dont want their squads to be any worse off than they already are.

They each have two first round picks! They have healthy organizations AFTER this season (compared to a few contenders this season with UFA starters and few prospects or picks).

The punishment should be "highest draft pick OR top prospect as determined by the B.O.D." to cover for the fact that some g.m.s might trade away picks.

I didn't know that the cost for violating the salary floor restriction was a mere $ 250,000. Where has that been stated?

Changes prior to next season will be good (don't change midseason of course).

Vancouver still ought to make a trade before the trading deadline because they are 1.5 million below salary floor with only two spots open on their bench!!! They don't want to have to pay a quarter million after each and every game down the stretch! But it's such a small sum, that they can afford it! (4 million over 16 games)

Sabres · Guru

Stripping a team of its highest draft pick or player is sooooooooooooooooooo stupid in my opinion. Thats one big flaw in the rules in my eyes. When does this EVER happen in the NHL? There should just be fines that compound. 2nd offenders are hit harder. Its retarded stripping them of something soooooo valuable for whats almost like a misdameanor.

HOTLANTA · Guru

yeh why else would u trade bryzgalov for guerin????

VanIslander · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Stripping a team of its highest draft pick or player is sooooooooooooooooooo stupid in my opinion. Thats one big flaw in the rules in my eyes. When does this EVER happen in the NHL?

Losing Jagr or Sundin is equally stupid but a harsh penalty is necessary to ensure a level of competitiveness.

VanIslander · Guru

HOTLANTA wrote:

yeh why else would u trade bryzgalov for guerin????

Damn straight. Wish I'd been informed by a commish of how small the penalty was for violating the cap floor (where the heck is it listed?) when I stated in my trade submission (to the league email) that I was trading coveted prospect Bryzgalov for an overpaid old guy solely in order to ensure my team is not in violation of the rules for the next game, an urgent immediate need. I would have taken my time, paid for a game or two, and gotten a much better deal having time to negotiate. Oh well. C'est la vie. Known now.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Implementing a hard an d fast rule on the salary floor is needed, and will be addressed in teh offseason, again an oversight we nissed when typing up the rules. We'll have to keep it at the current fining level teh rest of the season.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

VanIslander wrote:

...The punishment should be "highest draft pick OR top prospect as determined by the B.O.D...

This is definitely something that should not happen regardless... There simply cannot be subjectivity in something like this. It has to be specific what the punishment will be, not something to be debated about by the BOD. If the concern is about teams not having a first round pick, then write it up so that it's their next first round pick, or write it up so that if a team doesn't have a first round pick that it gives up the prospect that was drafted highest in the NHL (although that would require the BOD to do research on all prospects they have...).

But there just cannot be a situation where people get together and say "hmmmm... ok, this time you lose prospect X because we think he's your best one".

CBJackets · Guru

Agreed with Panthers.

And I agree that they penalty should be lessened for going over the cap. A monetary penalty seems better, however I would like a stiff monetary penalty. Say 2 mil escalating a further 2 mil for every violation. And then if a team does not have sufficient funds to pay the fine they lose their highest paid player.

Hawks_G · Guru

I believe that it should be a surrender of highest draft pick.

People near the floor are rebuilding. People near the cap are contending.

You need the penalty that will motivate the team to avoid the problem.

If it was Buffalo near the floor and losing their first rounder was the penalty, I guarantee that you wouldn't see them play under the floor.

I also suggest that the player that gets selected immediately gets assigned to the Blackhawks.

Thank you. (Oh..the last sentence was the joke...everything else was serious.

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Sabres · Guru

We wont go under the floor anyways, the rule isnt going to change this year, but its pretttty friggen easy to stay above the floor and under the cap. Just dont do a trade that puts you over or under, everyone has a calculator.

LAKings · Senior Member

Pittsburgh GM wrote:

In regards to floor punishment I think Highest draft pick in the next draft at the time of violation, is a much better one than either of the others. If it is fair to take a top player from a over the cap team then it should either be likewise for the floor or draft pick.

As far as LA being a new GM, that is no excuse ! It is up to all of us to understand all rules as stated they were there when we paid and agreed upon.

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 12:22, 2007-02-12

Oh I know the rule.. and am well aware.. I'm just not about to trade a guy like Niitymaki for a bunch of crap just to get above it which seems to be all the offers that i'm getting.