Phantom Position Changes

Philippe27 · Guru

RE: Phantom Position Changes

CBJackets · Guru

Any official word on this? I think it's extremely important going into the deadline and playoffs

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Philippe27 wrote:

I think it's fine the way it is, don't want to limit it too much otherwise it may limit the number of trades since you won't be able to make as any quick adjustments.

Again, I see that as a total reason TO limit things. If you need a RWer badly, pony up to get one. You shouldn't just be able to pick up any forward to be able to fill that RW spot. The more sites that are available, especially non-official ones that are really just fan-based or something some guy puts up, the more stuff like that you're going to see.

A large amount of trades or a small amount of trades in and of themselves isn't a good thing or a bad thing. I've seen so many useless trades happen this year in this league that I just shake my head. Not trades that are good or bad for a particular team, but because someone just likes trading so much that they have a revolving door of players. Now THAT is totally unrealistic. But I digress. Having a lower amount of trades isn't a bad thing just because it's a low amount of trades. It also just means that teams have to work a little harder to get a good set of lines together. They can't just throw people together.

As for an official ruling, regardless of the fact that I think it should be limited to 1, maybe 2 official sites, as with other things, this really shouldn't be changed until after this season (if it's going to be changed at all).

Philippe27 · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

I think it's fine the way it is, don't want to limit it too much otherwise it may limit the number of trades since you won't be able to make as any quick adjustments.

Again, I see that as a total reason TO limit things. If you need a RWer badly, pony up to get one. You shouldn't just be able to pick up any forward to be able to fill that RW spot. The more sites that are available, especially non-official ones that are really just fan-based or something some guy puts up, the more stuff like that you're going to see.
A large amount of trades or a small amount of trades in and of themselves isn't a good thing or a bad thing. I've seen so many useless trades happen this year in this league that I just shake my head. Not trades that are good or bad for a particular team, but because someone just likes trading so much that they have a revolving door of players. Now THAT is totally unrealistic. But I digress. Having a lower amount of trades isn't a bad thing just because it's a low amount of trades. It also just means that teams have to work a little harder to get a good set of lines together. They can't just throw people together.
As for an official ruling, regardless of the fact that I think it should be limited to 1, maybe 2 official sites, as with other things, this really shouldn't be changed until after this season (if it's going to be changed at all).

I disagree, I made a blockbuster a few weeks ago which I would not have been able to do if position changes were limited to one site.
We are not talking non official sites, all the ones listed on the rule page are big websites that won,t list position sunless the player did play there at one point in his career.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Philippe27 wrote:

I disagree, I made a blockbuster a few weeks ago which I would not have been able to do if position changes were limited to one site.
We are not talking non official sites, all the ones listed on the rule page are big websites that won,t list position sunless the player did play there at one point in his career.

And? So you wouldn't have been able to make that particular trade... so? Why is that an a reason for giving more latitude in changing player positions? It seems to me that those arguing for the most flexibility and freedom in changing player positions are doing so because they want to be able to put out lines easier, make trades easier and all around have an easier time... Instead of having things realistic.

Yes, there are players that can play in multiple positions, I'm certainly not disputing that. But the more sites that are out there that can be used, the more and more unrealistic changes will/are being seen. Joyofhockey.com? nothing but a site someone put up. Nice info, but certainly nothing official. Hockeydb.com? Even more good info... same thing, no official ties. waymoresports.com? well, for me anyway, it goes to the Toronto star, a newspaper. a newspaper is going to be more reliable than nhl.com about what position a player does/can play?

So a LW played C his first year of junion hockey. So what... it doesn't change the fact that if he was put there now, he'd suffer a loss of efficiency. Hell, so what if a guy played in the NHL 13 years ago at a different spot than he does not, it's still going to result in the same thing. Will there be the occasional player that gets missed that legitimately can play multiple positions if we use just one or two real official sources? Almost certainly. But I'd certainly rather have that, than having many players unrealistically being able to play out of position.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

If you're after an "official" word, the sites will likely remain the same, we'll simply take JOH off the list.

One point made about a newspaper not being as accurate as NHL.com, as much as I'm anti-Toronto, waymoresports does a fantastic job of keeping thing updated, and yes is more accurate than NHL.com as far as player positions.

We'll likely keep it as is, simply taking JOH off the list.

BruinsAssistantGM · Veteran Member

HOTLANTA wrote:

like say in fhl a team had kovalchuk ovechkin

Kirk did you use my FHL team in another league as your example?
http://www.dwshl.com/DWSHL09PLFRosters.html#Skyleafs

Chinnick

HOTLANTA · Guru

nope i never chinnick with niinimaa an 80 ov that league looks like lots of fun tho

BruinsAssistantGM · Veteran Member

Yeah a few ratings are out of whack, i just joined before the last season and they seem to nhl re rate 3 guys every 2 years that you pick and as well 3 guys will get de rated or rated to better fit their current NHL skill level from each team, not as current as the BRHL2 but still keeps it interesting. The rating we all love is Aebischer's 85 OV on the commish's team (Brodeur is only 82 in it)

Chinnick

Sens · Guru

How does Fred Brathwaite get a rating of 80OV??

BruinsAssistantGM · Veteran Member

post good numbers on a strong team is my guess, i only joined before the season, im not sure how some of the guys got rated so high

Hawks_G · Guru

BruinsAssistantGM wrote:

post good numbers on a strong team is my guess, i only joined before the season, im not sure how some of the guys got rated so high

FHL rerates suck. You might as well change all the players names because if Braithwaite can be an 80 OV and Aebischer is 85 OV, then the league isn't based on the NHL, you can change all the names too. Alexshandre Ovelechnikov is a 89 OV. Yee haw.

VanIslander · Guru

Sometimes none of the cited sources are adequate.

Dvorak has been playing left wing on a Blues line with Weight and Guerin in the NHL and yet none of the cited sources have updated him to include that position. I can find several other references to it though, for example:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NHL&id=544

WildJamie · Senior Member

Again I am with the Panthers. Who cares if Dvorak has been playing LW with the Blues lately? Does that make him a LWer? Does that mean he is effective at the position?
Once a player becomes entrenched at that position for a few years and is effective there, then maybe. Otherwise, he is a RWer and thats that. Make your lines with him out of position (just like Andy Murray does) or make a trade to balance your lineup. Very simple.

Jackets1 · Veteran Member

Yeah, Colby Armstrong doesn't play C, am I totally blind or has this switch been made? I can't believe this isn't being enforced 5 days before the playoffs