Phantom Position Changes

CBJackets · Guru

Phantom Position Changes

CBJackets · Guru

2nd questionable change: Alexander Frolov - Atlanta - RW

A RW on the Rosters page, listed as a LW on every site listed in the rules. And I've followed Frolov throughout most of his career, and to my knowledge he has never played RW for an extended period of time.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Joyofhockey had Connolly listed at left, I know that cause I had him moved in another league awhile back. But now they apparently are defunct and not on the web. So COnnolly will be moved back as nowhere else shows him there. I admit I didn't check when I sent it in, because I knew he was listed at joyofhockey.

Thanks for pointing that out Matt, anyone know when they went off the web? As for Frolov I'm not sure, have to hear from Eric on that one.

For the record the best site is waymoresports it shows guys playing more positions than TSN>

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

BryceBruins wrote:

Joyofhockey had Connolly listed at left, I know that cause I had him moved in another league awhile back. But now they apparently are defunct and not on the web. So COnnolly will be moved back as nowhere else shows him there. I admit I didn't check when I sent it in, because I knew he was listed at joyofhockey.

Thanks for pointing that out Matt, anyone know when they went off the web? As for Frolov I'm not sure, have to hear from Eric on that one.

For the record the best site is waymoresports it shows guys playing more positions than TSN>

I've never been a fan of using sites like joyofhockey... it's just a site put up by someone, by no means is it anything remotely official. I've always thought that it should be solely something that's clearly professional such as nhl.com. So what if it shows players playing less positions... players should only be playing the positions they can play.

Philippe27 · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

BryceBruins wrote:

Joyofhockey had Connolly listed at left, I know that cause I had him moved in another league awhile back. But now they apparently are defunct and not on the web. So COnnolly will be moved back as nowhere else shows him there. I admit I didn't check when I sent it in, because I knew he was listed at joyofhockey.

Thanks for pointing that out Matt, anyone know when they went off the web? As for Frolov I'm not sure, have to hear from Eric on that one.

For the record the best site is waymoresports it shows guys playing more positions than TSN>

I've never been a fan of using sites like joyofhockey... it's just a site put up by someone, by no means is it anything remotely official. I've always thought that it should be solely something that's clearly professional such as nhl.com. So what if it shows players playing less positions... players should only be playing the positions they can play.

The problem with that is take a guy like Chris Higgins for example, he's only listed as LW on TSN.ca but anyone who knows a little about him knows he's a natural centre that was moved to the wing but it's not because he's not playing it now that he can't play it.

The pro

VanIslander · Guru

CBJackets wrote:

These are the valid sources that are listed:

www.tsn.ca, www.nhl.com, www.nhlpa.com, www.joyofhockey.com, www.hockeydb.com, www.waymoresports.com or www.espn.com

After the off season, that is, for the beginning of next season...

SUGGESTION: Reduce the number of valid sources, NOT down to only one, but perhaps from 7 to 4. (nixing joyofhockey, hockeydb, waymoresports.)

OilersBrent · Senior Member

If we are keeping it at 4 sources I think they should be:

TSN
NHL.com
waymoresports
nhlpa (i could do without, and limit it to 3)

VanIslander · Guru

OilersBrent wrote:

If we are keeping it at 4 sources I think they should be:

TSN
NHL.com
waymoresports
nhlpa (i could do without, and limit it to 3)

nhlpa is an authorative site! let's keep that if possible even if tsn updates quicker.

HOTLANTA · Guru

i say leave it as is, many forwards COULD play other positions. take for example my team if brindamour, stoll, steen all get hurt and then i cant find a site on one of those three saying fisher/pisani/malone could play center(just an example i dont know if they are listed as centers on any of them sites) is it honestly likely that coach trotz would call up kyle chipchura and keep kristian huselius as a healthy scratch or is it more likely hed just move a winger to center even tho on the internet it says he cant and then have huselius take his spot on the wing? coaches try players at different positions all the time nhl (sykora to center in edmonton, Fisher to wing in Ottawa) iginla to soap dropping expert in calgary taking daryl sutters spot on the flamers, coaches move players around all the time, I like the rule as is a good one because it gives your team some flexibilty in case of injury's and makes the sim a little more realistic to the nhl

kirk atlanta

-- Edited by HOTLANTA at 13:08, 2007-02-07

ColoradoGM · Senior Member

I have to agree with Kirk here.
Many teams will put a forward back on defense (ex.Sami Kapanen) before they call up a player from the AHL. It is all up to the coach.
That being said, there is nothing holding any GM from placing a RW at LW or C or D on GM Editor, but there effectiveness goes down (not sure, but i think the OV is lower or something).
Is there a rule in place that when you move a player once you cannot move him again?
If this is true, then i think GM's should be able to use any site out of the ones listed.

HOTLANTA · Guru

u agree iginla took sutter spot????

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

ColoradoGM wrote:

I have to agree with Kirk here.
Many teams will put a forward back on defense (ex.Sami Kapanen) before they call up a player from the AHL. It is all up to the coach.
That being said, there is nothing holding any GM from placing a RW at LW or C or D on GM Editor, but there effectiveness goes down (not sure, but i think the OV is lower or something).

Both of you make valid points... but unfortunately, they're valid points for reasons TO limit the sites, not the other way around. You're absolutely correct, if a player gets injured in the NHL a coach may very well want to swap a player out of his normal position into that spot. But just like with the sim, in the real NHL he's not going to be as effective in that position. Sure Philly may play Kapanen on the point if they had to... but Kapanen is also not a defenceman and his effectiveness isn't going to be what it would be in his normal position.

Nothing is stopping you from playing your Centre at LW if you have too many injuries to LW players. Feel free, go ahead, dress him and have him play LW! Yes, his effectiveness will go down, as it should!

Limiting player position changes MAKES it far more realistic, not the opposite. Yeah, there's some players that can play more than one spot, but for the most part, players typically play one. And just because joeschmoehockey.com says a guy can play LW, RW, D and G doesn't mean we should let it.

HOTLANTA · Guru

Marleau-Thornton-Clowe

ask ron wilson if marleau and or thornton play less effective than when together ;)

HOTLANTA · Guru

both are natural centers everyone knows it, yet they play on same line and are dominating.

like say in fhl a team had kovalchuk ovechkin and both were only listed on one wing on them 3 sites(dont know if they are this is just an example) why wouldnt a g.m be able to look around and get a site on one of the others in the RUULLLLEEESSSS, and be able to play kovalchuk ovechkin on same line at their maximum skill and dominate,

if this is the case why cant we have d-men only play left defense or right defense some d-men nhl are much much better on one side????

just doesnt make sense??? does it????

WildJamie · Senior Member

I am with the Panthers on this one. If you want to play a guy out of position when you make your lines, go ahead! Much like in the NHL when players are moved from center to wing, or vice-versa, often their effectiveness goes down. And so it should. Many wingers suffer when they have to play the off-wing. Sure there are some guys that don't, but many do.
I don't think Marleau is a great example. He is a good player and look at what Cheechoo did playing with Thornton.
I would rather people have to work to balance their teams, than just send in another email with 8 position changes to make it happen...