Haggling - Make seriously low-ball offers and then give concessions to still end up with a good deal
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Fair offering - Make an offer one would be willing to do and accept substitutions but not reductions
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Negotiations seriously stall when a haggler meets a fair offerer. Neither is better, but there is a clash of expectations. Hagglers expect each side to give more; Fair offerers expect that offers not even in the ball park are a sign that no deal will be reached. Hagglers think the other isn't playing ball whereas fair offerers get insulted by low ball offers.
This league has several hagglers and a couple of fair offerers. I've tried twice to do the other style of negotiating but it's just not my style and I don't do it well. You?
Haggling - Make seriously low-ball offers and then give concessions to still end up with a good deal
vs.
Fair offering - Make an offer one would be willing to do and accept substitutions but not reductions
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Negotiations seriously stall when a haggler meets a fair offerer. Neither is better, but there is a clash of expectations. Hagglers expect each side to give more; Fair offerers expect that offers not even in the ball park are a sign that no deal will be reached. Hagglers think the other isn't playing ball whereas fair offerers get insulted by low ball offers.
This league has several hagglers and a couple of fair offerers. I've tried twice to do the other style of negotiating but it's just not my style and I don't do it well. You?
I don't lowball unless a GM is seriously pissing me off with his constant lowballs and I've managed to make some of the best trades in this league so far so it has paid off for me.
I think its every GMs right to lowball another GM, especially when this league is so young and no one really knows who knows what they are doing yet. You may as well try to catch a newbie GM off guard. Everyone gets them, lets not cry about them.
Maybe as the league matures and people know other GM's knowledge levels, then things might change, but its unlikely before that.
Sabres wrote: I think its every GMs right to lowball another GM, especially when this league is so young and no one really knows who knows what they are doing yet. You may as well try to catch a newbie GM off guard. Everyone gets them, lets not cry about them.
Maybe as the league matures and people know other GM's knowledge levels, then things might change, but its unlikely before that.
LOL... aren't you the one that constantly shouts "void!" to trades when they're (in your view) one-sided?
This league has several hagglers and a couple of fair offerers. I've tried twice to do the other style of negotiating but it's just not my style and I don't do it well. You?
It's also not really that simple either. While mutual gains/interested based bargaining has been demonstrated to be by far the best type of negotiations for all involved, in a situation like this, especially when someone is in the same division or conference, that type of negotiation isn't suited well. Everyone else is my competition. I want to beat them. I don't want them to come out well in a trade that I make because I don't want them to get stronger. I want the best deal for MY team.
That being said, making lowball offers can often end things right there on the spot, and take away any chance of achieving a deal that you would want. If someone's going to make me a lowball offer, I look at that and think that the chances of us making a deal really aren't that great. But of course everyone can use do whatever kind of offers they want.
One of the biggest things though that affects things is simply the perception of the offer, which can be very different from the 2 sides. If you think that first round picks are worth a lot, and I think that they're minimal relative to proven players, then when you offer me a pick-heavy offer, it's going to come across to me as a low-ball offer, when in reality, to you, it's a very fair offer.
