BRHL2 Payouts

Philippe27 · Guru

BRHL2 Payouts

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

We're open to discussing the payout structure, however anything changed would be for future seasons. Not this one.

You have to understand the reasoning for the prospect payout. It is essential to have some sort of "reward" for teams that are theorhetically rebuilding. Otherwise it would make no sense to "build" a team, and you'd see teams just stocking up on old guys and youth would have no value at all.

Obviously the high end rewards are their for the elite teams but we want every part of the league to have some importance to it. It is however up for debate as to how much to allocate where. For future seasons.

Philippe27 · Guru

I understand we need a reward for rebuilders but now with the Phil Antu-Dynasty rule it is already becoming more of an advantage to rebuild. Then I mean the 50th best prospect not in the NHL will be worth half of what a 2nd place team who loses in the 1st round is worth.
I think dropping it to 5% for top 25 would be more than enough.

Sabres · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

I understand we need a reward for rebuilders but now with the Phil Antu-Dynasty rule it is already becoming more of an advantage to rebuild. Then I mean the 50th best prospect not in the NHL will be worth half of what a 2nd place team who loses in the 1st round is worth.
I think dropping it to 5% for top 25 would be more than enough.

However what i think is a little rediculous is you even bringing up that the payout structure could be modified in such a way. Obviously tailoring to your likes. If this rule was change it would basically be stealing from us since we guarenteed have prospects in the top 50.

We made a decision to go young. This was one of the reasons.

If this was a problem that was going to be dealt with it should have been dealt with before we started drafting.

On that note, based on the interests of our team, we move that the Top 50 Prospects be raised from 12.5% to 20%. Its basically the same thing. Its out of the question.

Habs · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

I understand we need a reward for rebuilders but now with the Phil Antu-Dynasty rule it is already becoming more of an advantage to rebuild. Then I mean the 50th best prospect not in the NHL will be worth half of what a 2nd place team who loses in the 1st round is worth.
I think dropping it to 5% for top 25 would be more than enough.

However what i think is a little rediculous is you even bringing up that the payout structure could be modified in such a way. Obviously tailoring to your likes. If this rule was change it would basically be stealing from us since we guarenteed have prospects in the top 50.

We made a decision to go young. This was one of the reasons.

If this was a problem that was going to be dealt with it should have been dealt with before we started drafting.

On that note, based on the interests of our team, we move that the Top 50 Prospects be raised from 12.5% to 20%. Its basically the same thing. Its out of the question.

I agree with Philippe on this one. Changing the payout structure after this year would be a good idea. The reward for winning should be more then for losing. The Sabres only want things changed when it's in their favor or benefits them. They never have the league in mind when posting, only their own personal agenda.

Sabres · Guru

Comming from another player who doesnt have one possible top 50 prospect on his list... Its obviously YOUR AGENDA.

The prospects % was put in there for a reason! Were not the only team that is rebuilding. You guys could get your on prospects if you held on to your dang picks and drafted well. Why do you think Detriot and NJ (in the NHL) have great pools? Cuz they draft well. This percentage isnt only a reflection to the direction of your team, but a reward for good "scouting".

My point is there is no reason why we should change the % while we let some of you guys throw away your future assests, and then ask for the people who do care about the longevity of this league, to get ripped off on the only thing they have a real chance at getting money for.

Do you guys even realize what you are talking about?
1500.00*12.5%=187.50
187.50/50=3.75

3.75! for one player. And you want to make it 1.50? Get real.

I understand the point that if you dont think the 50th should get the same as the 1st. I dont mind changing the scale of it, cuz NO we dont have super high end prospects really besides kopitar and zajac in the nhl, we just have quite a few of them. SO that wouldnt be fitting in to "our agenda".

Changes like that, which sort of make sense should be changable, but i just dont think the 5% is even feasible.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Before this spirals downward anymore.

While we are open to considering changing things, a few things have to be kept in mind.

1. We spent literally MONTHS before opening the league, tweaking with formulas to make this a balanced league and reward all facets of the league.

2. Obviously GM's would like more payouts in the categories that they are built towards, but as commissioners, Eric and I will be making ultimate decisions on what is best for the league.

3. While something may look out of proportion to you, odds are there is a reason for it. By trying to cover every area our hope is that every team wins at least a few bucks back and has some aspect to look towards throughout the year.

HOTLANTA · Guru

my vote goes to the winner of the cup and award winners (vezina, hart) gettin all the money, shouldnt the winner of the cup and trophy's get all the money?? who rewards failure?? its like my friends who are flames fans they cheer to win the draft lottery because they know the flames will never win a cup it just doesnt make any sense lol

Sabres · Guru

This is Aaron,

Bottom line I say is that rules should not be changed until the offseason. Maybe just make a point to revisit these issues then.

Also teams at the bottom end of the league need to have a chance to make money otherwise why the **** would they wanna pay 50 bucks for this leaghue when theres other free ones?

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Comming from another player who doesnt have one possible top 50 prospect on his list... Its obviously YOUR AGENDA.

The prospects % was put in there for a reason! Were not the only team that is rebuilding. You guys could get your on prospects if you held on to your dang picks and drafted well. Why do you think Detriot and NJ (in the NHL) have great pools? Cuz they draft well. This percentage isnt only a reflection to the direction of your team, but a reward for good "scouting".

My point is there is no reason why we should change the % while we let some of you guys throw away your future assests, and then ask for the people who do care about the longevity of this league, to get ripped off on the only thing they have a real chance at getting money for.

Do you guys even realize what you are talking about?
1500.00*12.5%=187.50
187.50/50=3.75

3.75! for one player. And you want to make it 1.50? Get real.

I understand the point that if you dont think the 50th should get the same as the 1st. I dont mind changing the scale of it, cuz NO we dont have super high end prospects really besides kopitar and zajac in the nhl, we just have quite a few of them. SO that wouldnt be fitting in to "our agenda".

Changes like that, which sort of make sense should be changable, but i just dont think the 5% is even feasible.

Now you understand how I feel about all the discussion with limiting signing bonuses and why I think it's so unfair because it's basically the same thing. I trade for 25M in cash and high salaries and then the cash becomes basically useless.

and I said 5% for top 25 prospects which is $3.00 per prospect.

-- Edited by Philippe27 at 14:18, 2006-12-19

HOTLANTA · Guru

i agree they should be changed NEXT season as teams have built youth teams with prospects to take advanage of the payouts which is totally fine.. maybe restricting it to the top 20 or top 30 prospects 50 seems a bit extreme, also agree their should be a pay structure top prospect gets more than the 50th or 30th or 20th whatever they decide on..

CBJackets · Guru

Isn't the THN list guys who have NOT played a game in the NHL? So guys like Kopitar, Malkin, Zajac etc wouldn't be eligible

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

yep its of guys who aren't in the NHL at the time of printing.

Philippe27 · Guru

CBJackets wrote:

Isn't the THN list guys who have NOT played a game in the NHL? So guys like Kopitar, Malkin, Zajac etc wouldn't be eligible

YAAAAAP
Jaroslav Halak for #1!!!

WildJamie · Senior Member

Obviously nothing would be changed until next offseason at the earliest.

I agree that maybe the payouts should be tailored so that the top guys earn more than the 50th guy.

Maybe something like:

1-10 = $4

11-20 = $3

21 - 30 = 2$

31 - 40 = $1

Or something along those lines.

I think it is great when there FRIENDLY are discussions about these types of things in this forum, this is exactly what it is for. Bryce and Eric can then read these ideas and install the best ideas for next season or the seasons beyond.