Player Contracts Discussions

Sabres · Guru

Player Contracts Discussions

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Here is the scale you're looking for. Players in season 1 who are 30 years old (or younger) with 1 year left, are RFAs. Players 31 or older with 1 year left on their contract are UFAs.

From the Rules:
a. RFA Age will change according to the following scale:
BRHL2 Off-season #1 / 06-07: 30 years old
BRHL2 Off-season #2 / 07-08: 29 years old
BRHL2 Off-season #3 / 08-09: 28 years old
BRHL2 Off-season #4 / 09-10 to 11-12: 27 years old

2. Contracts are offered as all having a similar base salary. To keep things in line, and to avoid future mix-ups, all contracts will keep the same base salary from year to year.

3. Years on contracts, 1 is the minimum, 5 is the maximum.

Sabres · Guru

In response to question 1:

Is there an exact birthdate that players must be before? Like is it if they are 31 WHEN THE SEASON ENDS and their contract ends, then they are free agent? Or what? I still dont know if its perfectly defined, like its gotta go to the exact day almost.

Sabres · Guru

Also in response to question 2:

Is this definately the end all be all decision for that? I think its a really big problem almost if it is. Some players that are young need deals that progressively go up. I guess its not so bad cause the contract would prob be the same size and in theory the player would be "cheap" in his third year, but I dunno, Id like it if this could be changed.

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

In response to question 1:

Is there an exact birthdate that players must be before? Like is it if they are 31 WHEN THE SEASON ENDS and their contract ends, then they are free agent? Or what? I still dont know if its perfectly defined, like its gotta go to the exact day almost.

Look at their age right now on the rosters page, they go up one every off-season, not that complicated.

CBJackets · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Also in response to question 2:

Is this definately the end all be all decision for that? I think its a really big problem almost if it is. Some players that are young need deals that progressively go up. I guess its not so bad cause the contract would prob be the same size and in theory the player would be "cheap" in his third year, but I dunno, Id like it if this could be changed.

Maybe in theory it's better, but that is debatable. In reality it would take a ton of time to manually adjust the contracts each year, for something which really wouldn't make much of a difference.

And as for your first question, the sim doesn't take birth dates into account. UFA depends on how old the player is in the sim. All players age one year after every season.

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Also in response to question 2:

Is this definately the end all be all decision for that? I think its a really big problem almost if it is. Some players that are young need deals that progressively go up. I guess its not so bad cause the contract would prob be the same size and in theory the player would be "cheap" in his third year, but I dunno, Id like it if this could be changed.

In the NHL, the amount that counts against the salary cap if the average of the total deal, don't see why we should be different.
If you feel a guy deserves 1M this year and 2M next year then give him 1.5M for the next 2 seasons, same thing.

Sabres · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

Sabres wrote:

Also in response to question 2:

Is this definately the end all be all decision for that? I think its a really big problem almost if it is. Some players that are young need deals that progressively go up. I guess its not so bad cause the contract would prob be the same size and in theory the player would be "cheap" in his third year, but I dunno, Id like it if this could be changed.

In the NHL, the amount that counts against the salary cap if the average of the total deal, don't see why we should be different.
If you feel a guy deserves 1M this year and 2M next year then give him 1.5M for the next 2 seasons, same thing.

If this is true then it doesnt make a difference.

As for the ages in the sim, Im pretty sure some of them are wrong, is there at least a birth year that we can go by? I just dont want to see a ratings package be created in June, having everyone who turns 31 in July get an extra year of RFA status in our league because the year before the ratings package was completed in August and had them updated properly.

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

Sabres wrote:

Also in response to question 2:

Is this definately the end all be all decision for that? I think its a really big problem almost if it is. Some players that are young need deals that progressively go up. I guess its not so bad cause the contract would prob be the same size and in theory the player would be "cheap" in his third year, but I dunno, Id like it if this could be changed.

In the NHL, the amount that counts against the salary cap if the average of the total deal, don't see why we should be different.
If you feel a guy deserves 1M this year and 2M next year then give him 1.5M for the next 2 seasons, same thing.

If this is true then it doesnt make a difference.

As for the ages in the sim, Im pretty sure some of them are wrong, is there at least a birth year that we can go by? I just dont want to see a ratings package be created in June, having everyone who turns 31 in July get an extra year of RFA status in our league because the year before the ratings package was completed in August and had them updated properly.

We all drafted based on the ages in the sim so you can't change it now.

Sabres · Guru

Im not saying we should or would change it on purpose. I just want it to be for sure a controlled variable.

But there has to be a date of birth used to determine if a player is X years old or X+1 years old on any given year. ESPECIALLY with young players entering the NHL. I dont want one of my prospects or something who is unreated being listed as 20 years old because he was an 86 birthday when in fact at the seasons start hes only 19.

Philippe27 · Guru

Sabres wrote:

Im not saying we should or would change it on purpose. I just want it to be for sure a controlled variable.

But there has to be a date of birth used to determine if a player is X years old or X+1 years old on any given year. ESPECIALLY with young players entering the NHL. I dont want one of my prospects or something who is unreated being listed as 20 years old because he was an 86 birthday when in fact at the seasons start hes only 19.

Does it really matter for young players since you won't be in danger of losing them to Free Agency for another 7 yrs.
Anyways in 2 minutes of research you could have figure out that the date used was January 1st 2006 for the current ages.

CBJackets · Guru

Sabres wrote:

But there has to be a date of birth used to determine if a player is X years old or X+1 years old on any given year. ESPECIALLY with young players entering the NHL. I dont want one of my prospects or something who is unreated being listed as 20 years old because he was an 86 birthday when in fact at the seasons start hes only 19.

I can certainly see the importance of your concern on this issue

If the league is around 9 years from now when those players are going to become UFAs I would be outraged too if they become unrestricted before they are supposed to.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

CBJackets wrote:

Sabres wrote:

But there has to be a date of birth used to determine if a player is X years old or X+1 years old on any given year. ESPECIALLY with young players entering the NHL. I dont want one of my prospects or something who is unreated being listed as 20 years old because he was an 86 birthday when in fact at the seasons start hes only 19.

I can certainly see the importance of your concern on this issue

If the league is around 9 years from now when those players are going to become UFAs I would be outraged too if they become unrestricted before they are supposed to.

I truly don't understand the concern about birth dates or exact dates for anything, it just doesn't have any bearing on anything at all. Yes, there are contracts and things that aren't going to be exactly the same as the real NHL. Huet, for example, will be RFA here in the BRHL2, but in the NHL, he was UFA. But so what? We all know the ages of the players we were drafting when we started, and we all knew the ages that the BRHL2 was going to for when players would attain UFA status. We all knew (or if you didn't it's your own fault, there was no reason you shouldn't have known) what the status of our players would be at the end of their current contracts.

Most of the contracts and status will have started out exactly the same as the NHL, but as seasons of the BRHL2 go on, things will be more and more different from the real NHL in terms of salary length, contract, and the like. But the point is that it doesn't matter in the least.

We all knew the ages of the players when we started, and ALL the players will turn one year older for the next season of the BRHL2. We all know what the ages of the players will be for next season. We all know what the age of a UFA player will be for the upcoming seasons. Will it be different for us as opposed to the NHL? As more and more seasons go on, the less the BRHL2 will resemble the real NHL with contracts and salaries.

But it just doesn't matter.

Sabres · Guru

I dont understand how you guys just act like little sheep being hearded. Obviously IT DOES FRICKEN MATTER so stop saying it doesnt like a bunch of hypocrites. How about when you have a concern I go rip into your concerns? I dont join a league like this and plan on it NOT being here more than a year, I am planning on longevity as its obvious. So how about some of you stop being so narrow minded and realize that theres other types of people in this league?

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

I dont understand how you guys just act like little sheep being hearded. Obviously IT DOES FRICKEN MATTER so stop saying it doesnt like a bunch of hypocrites. How about when you have a concern I go rip into your concerns? I dont join a league like this and plan on it NOT being here more than a year, I am planning on longevity as its obvious. So how about some of you stop being so narrow minded and realize that theres other types of people in this league?

See, the problem there, is that I've given you an actual REASON why something like birthdates just doesn't matter. All you've said is ranblings about birthdays, and dates. It's not a matter of anybody acting like sheep, and it's not a matter of different types of people, it's not about anybody "ripping into you"... it's simply a matter of information that we all had when the league started up.

The key thing that makes anything about birthdays, or specific dates irrelivant us the simple fact that we all knew the ages of the players when we drafted them, and we all knew the UFA ages as the years progress. It's not as when the next season starts half the players suddenly age and the other half don't, and it's not as if players age throughout the season and sudden on December 11 a whack of guys are going to turn a year older.

I'm pretty sure that we all joined with the intention of longevity.

The players are now BRHL2 players... although the league may follow the real NHL with respect to UFA ages, salary caps and the like, actual salaries for BRHL2 players and contract lengths will diverge immediately from real life counterparts.

Rather than just kick and scream and pout because nobody's listening to you, try explaining how you think that they can "fricken matter" and how the reason and explaination given doesn't answer any concerns because I just truly don't see what your issue is.

This was posted a long time ago, perhaps it will clear things up for you...

"if a player is in any of the following categories, they will be UFA when their contract expires

Anyone 31 years old or older

30 years old with 2 or more years left

29 years old with 2 or more years left

28 years old with 3 or more years left

27 years old with 3 or more years left

26 years old with 4 or more years left

25 years old with 4 or more years left"

With regards to new players entering the league, as the season goes on, obviously some players will have correct ages, some will be incorrect. It's imposssible for ages to be correct the whole time, just like existing players. But at the end of the day they're so far off from UFA status, for all intents and purposes it's irrelivant.

-- Edited by Florida Panthers at 23:35, 2006-10-18