Is anyone else getting extremely confused with all the bizarre ways of posting trades that are going on? I dont mind that there is a spot where just players names are being traded or whatever but its confusing in a sense that i dont really know if we are suppose to "repost" a trade that was like say a 13th and 15th rounder for 17th and 12th round or something AFTER these players have been drafted? It shouldnt really be necassary if we are organized in our draft list (ie tampa keeps it up to date and people know the procedure of trading picks DURING THE LIVE DRAFT (WHICH ISNT REALLY COMMON KNOWLEDGE) Ive seen several times trades being posted twice in the trade thread because GMs dont know the other party involved has posted it. If we just have 1 thread where all trades are posted and only posted by one party involved I still think it'll work. I dont think anyone is going to get away with posting a trade without actually talking to another GM or anything, the messageboard should mean the deal is final, if its posted here then its final unless the BOD rejects it.
Thats how I think it should work, I dont really think its necassary for the other half of the deal to come in and say "I approve" or whatver, it should just be discussed between you two and known to be final once its posted. That way the last say in any negotiating should be the question between GMs of this: "Ok, should I post it then?" meaning, "Is this 100% a deal?"
I think its going to be hard to track where players belong throughout the drafting process, but at the same time I think we'll need to do maybe two scheduled roster checks to make sure the Commish's office and GM's have the same records of players on their teams, once during the middle of the draft and once at the end.
Thats how I think it should work, I dont really think its necassary for the other half of the deal to come in and say "I approve" or whatver, it should just be discussed between you two and known to be final once its posted. That way the last say in any negotiating should be the question between GMs of this: "Ok, should I post it then?" meaning, "Is this 100% a deal?"
I think its going to be hard to track where players belong throughout the drafting process, but at the same time I think we'll need to do maybe two scheduled roster checks to make sure the Commish's office and GM's have the same records of players on their teams, once during the middle of the draft and once at the end.
I agree that it's getting insane trying to follow where trades are being done, especially since they seem to be getting posted in 50 different threads. Plus you have one guy make a post, and then the other GM responds to it confirming it 8 people later down the thread...
I do disagree in the point about confirmation. I certainly think it's necessary to have both sides confirm in some respect. I sure don't want to be discussing a trade with someone and then for whatever reason (miscommunication, desire, whatever), the other party just posts something as a done deal, when it isn't.
However... my suggestion to make things much simpler, is just to have both parties e-mail the deal into the commish's, and once both parties have agreed, we have one thread where either of the co-commish's can simply post it as being a done deal. There wouldn't be 50 different threads, there wouldn't be guys trying to back out, or alter a deal, or whatever else. Either both parties submit the exact same trade to the commishs via e-mail, or no trade is processed.
It may seem like more work for the commishs, and it may be, but then again, it would keep things a hell of a lot more simple. But hey, if the BOD and the commish's are having no problems keeping order the way things are, all the more power to them.
I asked for two things, -Both GM's post the thread in THE THREAD I CREATED -Draft order is frozen during the draft (between 7PM and 10PM most nights)
It wasn,t respected so I told Eric after tonight no more trades. I was willing to help out because I traded a lot but you guys (in general-not pointing the finger on anyone) aren't doing your part so I'm not doing it anymore.
I actually think you were doing a great job TB, and I appreciate it alot. Im just trying to help organize things a little better so you dont have to read the same trades on different pages of a thread and be like "didnt I already process this deal?". Im in the same position as you in saying that GMs are NOT doing there part, but at the same time, are not fully educated on what there part is. I think we just need to have 1 thread and 1 set of rules posted at the top of the thread that are followed. That way you can read a deal once and only once. I hope you reconsider, this 50 rounds of drafting is the most gruelling thing this league will have to go through and its only temporary. A little bit of misorganization is to be expected and once its all done things will be alot easier.
I dont think confirming is a must at all, ive been in other sim leagues where confirming is basically knowing that the trade is to be posted. If you arent the GM posting the deal then you confirm by giving the other person permission to post the deal.
Everyone has msn converstaion transcripts and icq and email and stuff, so if someone tries to pull a fast one and post a trade prematurely or illegally Im sure it will be discovered and dealt with. IT JUST DOESNT HAPPEN in any other leagues Ive been in and its a heck of alot easier to follow along with the transactions.
Not to mention that this will also keep our archives alot neater and will be alot more user friendly to refer to in years down the road when GMs look to see how they did on trades of old.
I appreciate the compliment and I understand you,re trying to help and I appreciate that as well. It has gotten confusing and there are just too many deals and at this point trading 15th or 20th round picks doesn't really matter. Eric sent an e-mail to Bryce and will let him decide but at this point, I'll update the draft order up to now and I'll send to Eric the trades that need to be put into the sim to fix the rosters and after that I'll take a break.
I've helped out as much as I could so far but I got three weeks before I got back to university so I'll probably lay low for awhile and worry about other stuff a little more.
As someone who was on the BOD, and voted on this issue, the amount of confusion, organization required to administer a full draft league makes trading ridiculous.
You can ask Eric or Bryce if they could go back in time, they would have not allowed trading at all.
(Since I have been in more than one draft league and administered more than one, I speak from experience.)
1. Too hard to keep track of. 2. No way to know if someone is getting ripped off(Which happened several times.) 3. No overt benefit to the league or any of the GMs. 4. Theoretically against what a dispersal draft is supposed to be.(The dispersal of NHL assets to the member clubs.) 5. Impossible for any trade committee to look at and review any deal. (If you don't know what the asset turns into, how can you determine whether or not it is a fair deal.)
The reason that I didn't bother throwing it out there Sabres is because I did, and your BOD determined that my arguments weren't sufficient enough to agree with.
And I don't want to appear as "I told you so." or "Hey look at me, I am bitching for the sake of bitching."
So if you would like to take a shot at me, please do so via PM and not in the main forums. Thank you.
Sabres wrote: I just cant believe a pay league cant handle trades...
There will be trading once the draft is over with. It was just too much trading for one man(Tampa) to handle and for the BOD to determine fair trades. We cant go back on it now and we just have to get through the rest of the draft without trading. I also thought trading shouldnt have gone through without at least a league wide vote on the issue. I would have voted no, and i yes i did trade picks so im also guilty. Anyways lets just have fun with the draft the rest of the way.
I personally think Sabres GM you are one of the main culprits to the problem. The idea to trade was allowed but you took advantage of the situation by making many deals. You were not the only culprit but a main one. When the dealing got out of hand ,a simple rule was put in place. The rule was not followed at all, although you guys had constant warnings on the situation.
Although I was totally against trading during the draft to begin with, ( just stupidity IMO ) I actually went to bat for all who wanted to trade. Unfortunately you guys had pressed the problem to far and the man who was willing to look after you guys called it a day, and I do not blame him. As far as I am concerned you caused the problem and now you must live with it.
Just out of curiosity Mr. Sabres GM have you ever run a league ? How about ever helped out in any of these areas when a league is in need of an extra hand? I do not know the answer but my suspicions is a BIG NO ! It is a very time consuming job and the help is always needed, pay league or not does not change the workload.
Suck It Up, Show Us What Your Made Of. If you are a good GM then trading during a draft should not be a factor in whether you make it to the top or not.
P.S. I am neither a friend of the league commishes in real world ,nor am I part of the board in any way. I am just sick of the constant whining. Play The Damn Game ! evileye:
-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 22:16, 2006-08-01
-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 22:26, 2006-08-01
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