Official Trades

Sabres · Guru

Official Trades

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Trades will be sent in to the commishes address. If Eric or I see the slightest thing wrong with it we will send it to the BOD, or if someone else brings up a stink over it we will address it as a BOD.

Both sides will be required to conifrm a deal by email, once that is sent in we will either process the deal or put it up for discussion by the BOD.

Sabres · Guru

Sounds like a solid system. So once it is approved by one of the Schuck brothers, will it be posted here by them?

Philippe27 · Guru

I know I've asked you before but are we allowed to trade picks. Would be nice to know by saturday night so we have a little time before the draft.

Florida Panthers · Senior Member

BryceBruins wrote:

Trades will be sent in to the commishes address. If Eric or I see the slightest thing wrong with it we will send it to the BOD, or if someone else brings up a stink over it we will address it as a BOD.

My only concern with that is that I've seen it way too many times where someone makes a "stink" saying "oh that's just not a fair trade, guy A definitely got way too much there". To me, that's just absolutely no reason for anybody to get involved in a trade, nor is it any of their business and it shouldn't warrant the "trade police" to have to get involved...

Philippe27 · Guru

Florida Panthers wrote:

BryceBruins wrote: Trades will be sent in to the commishes address. If Eric or I see the slightest thing wrong with it we will send it to the BOD, or if someone else brings up a stink over it we will address it as a BOD. My only concern with that is that I've seen it way too many times where someone makes a "stink" saying "oh that's just not a fair trade, guy A definitely got way too much there". To me, that's just absolutely no reason for anybody to get involved in a trade, nor is it any of their business and it shouldn't warrant the "trade police" to have to get involved...

The point of it is to stop cheating and to make sure no team gets destroyed because it will be extremely hard to find a guy to pay 50 bucks for a team that has very little if any future.

-- Edited by Philippe27 at 13:15, 2006-07-15

CBJackets · Guru

Ya, I have a huge huge problem with that. The slightest thing wrong? So what do you want, trades that are 100% fair? If that is going to be the league's policy then this league is going to be no fun at all. We paid 50 bucks to be able to try and win, to be able to trade well, if trades are going to be vetoed because one team wins, well, that sucks. You paid the 50 bucks you shouldn't have to be protected by the league.

If there is going to be a very strict trade committee, well I may as well just resign now.

Philippe27 · Guru

CBJackets wrote:

Ya, I have a huge huge problem with that. The slightest thing wrong? So what do you want, trades that are 100% fair? If that is going to be the league's policy then this league is going to be no fun at all. We paid 50 bucks to be able to try and win, to be able to trade well, if trades are going to be vetoed because one team wins, well, that sucks. You paid the 50 bucks you shouldn't have to be protected by the league. If there is going to be a very strict trade committee, well I may as well just resign now.

That's not what he said. He said if he sees there's anything wrong then it will go to the BOD. The BOD which I'm part of will decide. Personally I will only stop a trade from going through if one of the teams has no reason of making the trade.
Example 1: 4th round pick in entry draft for 3rd round pick in entry draft
This trade isn't that unfair but it's retarded so I wouldn't let it go through.
Example 2: Ilya Kovalchuk for Jonathan Cheechoo.
I think we all agree Kovalchuk is a much better player but Cheechoo costs 6M less so that would give both teams a reason to make the trade even if it is unfair. I probably would let this go through depending on the cap situation and other factors for both teams.

CBJackets · Guru

That's exactly what he said. He said if he sees anything wrong with it. How are we to know the rest of the BOD is going to share your opinion on vetoing trades?

Say for example I trade Scott Niedermayer and a 1st for Chris Pronger...will that be vetoed? What if Pronger has a longer contract at a more reasonable salary.

Trades should only be stopped if cheating is suspected.

What if I trade Zherdev for Paul Ranger and a 1st? Will that be vetoed? Maybe I love Ranger as a player and think Zherdev is a floater.

Bottomline we paid 50 bucks to be in the league, if someone isn't up to snuff with their hockey knowledge, that's too bad for them, they'll lose their 50 bucks. I can see how you could implement a strict trade committee in a non-pay league, but not in this one.

I'm going to be really P-od if I work really hard to hammer out a deal, in which I win, and it is turned down only because one team lost the deal.

Predsgm · Guru

Hey I thought , i'd jump in put my 2 sense worth. Everyone is putting up valid points, yes this is a money league.. if you screw up... you're losing out on the 50 dollars. but how do we know one team isn't giving up and just giving away a player. we do not know that at all.. so yes there should still be a BOD.. however we are all smart gm's (at least i hope so, why else pay the 50 dollars to join) so im sure we all have enough knowledge to know whats a good or bad trade. Mind you we will all work our asses off trying to make a trade for our favour. thats what trading is all about. gaining .. not losing... so columbus .. you are right.. phillippe you are also right.

If 2 ppl have valid points.. we basically should listen to the commishes.. they are the ones running this league.. They are in charge. they have placed a BOD for this exact reason.

P.S. maybe an explanation by both teams why they are making the deal. will be one way to establish why the deal is wanted... thats one way of looking at it

GM PREDS

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Let me start by saying no-one is as anti-trade review than myself.

When I mean is that any trade that is quite lopsided will be reviewed. It is just in the interest of the league. I can guarantee that it will not be hard to hammer out deals, it is just a preventative measure in place to ensure no cheating occurs.

If a lopsided deal occurs obviously we will look at all factors, talk to the GMs involved before deciding on what action to take. I honestly don't anticipate this being used but maybe 5 times a season, its just a preventative measure. Please don't take it as anything more.

CBJackets · Guru

Could I possibly be on the committee for one of the departed GMs? Seems to me it was first come first serve?

Pittsburgh GM · Senior Member

Obvoiusly you all have decent points ,and I too hate when a deal is forfeited due to outside interference, however it is a necessary evil.

The teams must remain as balanced as possible for the good of the league. If they cannot get a GM to replace another GM at seasons end cause a team is in no shape to go anywhere, then the league comes to a halt.

Yes we are after the cash, but we all have a responsibility to keep the league as top notch as possible.

Stating you might as well resign cause of this policy is just stupidity in my opinion.

You might be the one on the losing end of the stupid deal. There should be room for one team to be a victor over the other in a deal within reason. We all try to get the better of a deal. I think it is our respoinsibility as GMs though to make the deals as fair as possible, for the good of the league.

This is what I want to see happen though !

Reasonable explanations in detail as to why a trade was turned down from the BOD or commish.

Not just trade rejected and this is it.

GM's should be happy to try to change whatever part of a deal might be holding up procedures of getting the deal done. This is not hard and yes, even the NHL offices veto trades from teamstime to time.

Stop the crying and start making this league worth the price of admission. If you are a good GM this should not even be a factor.

P.S. ( I am not part of the board or the league friends wise,but someone who is tired of every league having a town crier.)

Play the damn game, and walk the walk. Forget the Talk !!!

-- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 08:10, 2006-07-16

VancouverGM · Senior Member

Pittsburgh GM wrote:

Obvoiusly you all have decent points ,and I too hate when a deal is forfeited due to outside interference, however it is a necessary evil. The teams must remain as balanced as possible for the good of the league. If they cannot get a GM to replace another GM at seasons end cause a team is in no shape to go anywhere, then the league comes to a halt. Yes we are after the cash, but we all have a responsibility to keep the league as top notch as possible. Stating you might as well resign cause of this policy is just stupidity in my opinion. You might be the one on the losing end of the stupid deal. There should be room for one team to be a victor over the other in a deal within reason. We all try to get the better of a deal. I think it is our respoinsibility as GMs though to make the deals as fair as possible, for the good of the league. This is what I want to see happen though ! Reasonable explanations in detail as to why a trade was turned down from the BOD or commish. Not just trade rejected and this is it. GM's should be happy to try to change whatever part of a deal might be holding up procedures of getting the deal done. This is not hard and yes, even the NHL offices veto trades from teamstime to time. Stop the crying and start making this league worth the price of admission. If you are a good GM this should not even be a factor. P.S. ( I am not part of the board or the league friends wise,but someone who is tired of every league having a town crier.) Play the damn game, and walk the walk. Forget the Talk !!! -- Edited by Pittsburgh GM at 08:10, 2006-07-16

I second that

NYRGM · Senior Member

NYR here touching base. You all have valid points and sides to the argument. No one makes more trades than me or is as active in that department. I do so because I have fun doing it, I love the challenge of hammering out deals back and forth between my great fellow fantasy hockey minds, and I love upgrading my team as large or as small as some deals may be. I should be the #1 guy against a trade committe but it is an absolute neccesity that we have one. I've been in too many leagues where funny business goes on with deals among friends, family,etc. I myself have my cousin(Blues GM, and friend (LA gm) in the league and I know everyone will be hawking over any deals we make. I dont mind it, I actually encourage it to prove to all the Gm's that dont know me from other leagues that I'm all business when it comes to fantasy hockey.

I dont care about the money, the reason I'm here is because there SHOULD be legit gm's here if we're all paying cash. Normally money seperates how serious people are. I've preferred my draft list and ranked every single player in the database from #1(ovechkin all the way down).I'm a legit hockey freak and you will soon all see it. I love this stuff and I want this league to do well and actually last more than 1 season. I like all of you are tired of leagues folding and commishes getting rundown and tired. We all need to help police ourselves and contribute every way we can. The best way is through healthy discussions and debates like we're having here.

I cant tell you how happy I am to finally be a part of a league where fellow Gm's are inteligent and knowledgable on all levels of running thier teams. This league looks like it will be a challenge right out of the gate and I'm up for it bigtime. I just hope all of you stay up on your game as well, your gonna need it.

I am personally putting a bounty on the head of gm's 1-19 ahhah I challenge you to draft a better team than me. I've done my homework and I'm sure you have as well so come get me come draft day on Monday. My scouts(ME) have put together the master list that will steal the drafts riches.........................(that kinda sounds like a pirate phrase). Good luck to all!!!

-NYRGM Joe DesMarais