A Couple of Questions

CBJackets · Guru

A Couple of Questions

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

OK, here is the breakdown of how the ratings work, all are based solely on the last NHL season (so 05-06)

IT - based on Hits per game, with a bonus added in for total Major penalties

SP - Subjective (I did the original rates then a 2 man commitee reviewed them)

ST - Subjective (I did the original rates then a 2 man commitee reviewed them)

EN - Based on Ice Time Per Game

DU - Based on games played in the last TWO seasons combined

DI - Based on PIM

SK Subjective (I did the original rates then a 2 man commitee reviewed them)

PA - Based on Assists per game

PC - Based on PP time per game

DF - Based on PK time per game and Blocked Shots/game

SC - Based on Goals per Game

Ex - Subjective (I did the original rates then a 2 man commitee reviewed them) *will be forumla based next season*

LD - subjective (I did the original rates then a 2 man commitee reviewed them) *will be formula based next season*

If you look at Phaneuf's GPG his 67 rating is the exact same as other players with teh GPG ratio. You bring up Afinogenovs speed, actually it was one we manually changed afterwards in BRHL once the GMs sent in rerate requests. We will bump that up, thanks for pointing that out.

Bryce

CBJackets · Guru

Well, a couple of suggestions...

IMO two ratings as important as PC and DF shouldn't be done by PP and PK time. PC by PP time I can live with, but playing a lot on the penalty kill doesn't necessarily make you a good defensive player. I mean, Lidstrom only has a 74 DF, the same as JBouw, when Lidstrom is arguably the best defensive player in the league.

Secondly, I would suggest doing defensemen's SC and PA ratings either separately or with a bit of a boost. As they are now, there are very few defensemen with good PA, and none with good SC. Just makes it fairly unrealistic, guys like Lidstrom and Zubov should have close to the highest available PA rating.

OilersBrent · Senior Member

CBJackets wrote:

Well, a couple of suggestions... IMO two ratings as important as PC and DF shouldn't be done by PP and PK time. PC by PP time I can live with, but playing a lot on the penalty kill doesn't necessarily make you a good defensive player. I mean, Lidstrom only has a 74 DF, the same as JBouw, when Lidstrom is arguably the best defensive player in the league. Secondly, I would suggest doing defensemen's SC and PA ratings either separately or with a bit of a boost. As they are now, there are very few defensemen with good PA, and none with good SC. Just makes it fairly unrealistic, guys like Lidstrom and Zubov should have close to the highest available PA rating.

i havent taken a look a specific player ratings but i agree with some of the points you brought up. Its hard to rate a players PC and DF based purely on PP and PK time. Its a very hard rating to come up with because they is no hard stat for it to be based around. It's also hard to go through every single player and assign them a rating based on how you think they controlled the puck or defended.

Philippe27 · Guru

OilersBrent wrote:

CBJackets wrote: Well, a couple of suggestions... IMO two ratings as important as PC and DF shouldn't be done by PP and PK time. PC by PP time I can live with, but playing a lot on the penalty kill doesn't necessarily make you a good defensive player. I mean, Lidstrom only has a 74 DF, the same as JBouw, when Lidstrom is arguably the best defensive player in the league. Secondly, I would suggest doing defensemen's SC and PA ratings either separately or with a bit of a boost. As they are now, there are very few defensemen with good PA, and none with good SC. Just makes it fairly unrealistic, guys like Lidstrom and Zubov should have close to the highest available PA rating. i havent taken a look a specific player ratings but i agree with some of the points you brought up. Its hard to rate a players PC and DF based purely on PP and PK time. Its a very hard rating to come up with because they is no hard stat for it to be based around. It's also hard to go through every single player and assign them a rating based on how you think they controlled the puck or defended.

Honnestly it doesn't really matter. They are reasonably accurate, give realistic stats, we know what the ratings are right now so going through them and making major changes is not necessary. Sure maybe make a few adjustments to SP and SK but to change the formula for D is a little late.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

To counter you rpoint about boosting a defensemans ratings. Why? When we simmed practice seasons the stats were remarkably close to actual performance. Too boost them anymore would result in unrealistic production from the back end.

As far as the PC and DF arguements, remember that blocked shots count as well for PK time and generally speaking guys blocking shots and playing the PK are your defensive defensemen. I would also argue that Lidstrom is a top defensive defenseman, he's good, but probably teh most overrated defensively in the league. But thats purely a difference of opinions. By basing it on stats, we take all subjectivity out of the arguement. Their really is no other stats to base defensive opr puck control abilities on. What this gives you is a group of purely defensive guys, a group of PP specialists, and any player that does both have very good ratings and their is a difference in each player.

-- Edited by BryceBruins at 17:34, 2006-06-27

CBJackets · Guru

Yeah, I can see where you're coming from. We want it to be realistic, so if test seasons gave realistic stats then that's the best way to do the ratings.

Now that I think about it the formulas for PC and DF don't seem too bad at all.

philly · Guru

BryceBruins wrote:

I would also argue that Lidstrom is a top defensive defenseman, he's good, but probably teh most overrated defensively in the league. But thats purely a difference of opinions.

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CBJackets · Guru

A few more questions...

1.The Mario Lemieux tag

-MARIO LEMIEUX TAG

CBJackets · Guru

A few more questions...

1.The Mario Lemieux tag

This sounds a bit fuzzy in the rules. I'm assuming that it means that if you have a player who is set to become an UFA, you get to sign that player to one extra year before he becomes unrestricted. Am I right?

2.Prospect Creation

Drafting prospects will be an important part of the draft. If I draft say, Evgeny Malkin, how will his ratings be done? It says in the rules that if he has played 50 games in the NHL he will be created, so does that mean that he will be created with ratings based on his first 50 games in the NHL?

Thanks...

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

The Lemieux, Lowe and Semenko tags are all ways to extend the contracts of players who are set for UFA. For Example: You have Anson Carter on your team, he has 1 year left on his contract. He is set for Free Angency, but you can tag him with the Kevin Lowe Tag which will extend his contract another year for the same amount so that he can stay with your team longer.

As far as the prospect creation. Malkin will not be elligible to play this season in the BRHL2. Since these ratings are based from the 05-06 NHL season, and it wouldn't fit for Malkin to be rated on his 06-07 stats. That rule will be clarified to read that players who have played 50 career NHL games, must be created in the offseason.

Now as far as creating a prospect who has played 50 NHL games, that is a rule put in place mainly so a team cannot keep players on their prospect list too long and not spend money on the player by signing him to the team. Main reason this rule was created in the BRHL was because that a few teams had a payroll close to the cap, while still having a handful of players on their prospects list who had been NHL regulars for the past 1-3 seasons. The reason that the players were kept on the prospect list is because the GM did not want to sign the players and put him closer to the cap or even over the salary cap. So this rule was put in place to make sure that prospects don't stay too long on the prospect list.

CBJackets · Guru

Okay the answer to the 1st question was great.

Still a little unsure about the prospects. If I were to draft and create Malkin for this upcoming season, what would his ratings be based on...since he hasn't played an NHL game?

And once he is created, I'm assuming he will be re-rated at the end of the year according to his NHL stats with every other player in the BRHL?

I'm also wondering whether SP/SK will be rerated every year. A lot of players are fairly off in that respect. Two prime examples are Brule 67SP and Jeff Carter 65SP. If you created them low because they are rookies, and their ratings will go up next season, that I can understand, otherwise their SP/SK are pretty off.

Philippe27 · Guru

CBJackets wrote:

Okay the answer to the 1st question was great. Still a little unsure about the prospects. If I were to draft and create Malkin for this upcoming season, what would his ratings be based on...since he hasn't played an NHL game? And once he is created, I'm assuming he will be re-rated at the end of the year according to his NHL stats with every other player in the BRHL? I'm also wondering whether SP/SK will be rerated every year. A lot of players are fairly off in that respect. Two prime examples are Brule 67SP and Jeff Carter 65SP. If you created them low because they are rookies, and their ratings will go up next season, that I can understand, otherwise their SP/SK are pretty off.

Malkin can't be created for this upcoming season as he didn't play any games in the 05-06 season. I fhe plays in the NHL in 06-07 then he will be created in the off-season based on those stats.

Eric_Isles · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Phillipe is correct. Drafting Malkin or a player in the same situation is your committment to a player who will not be on your roster this year, but will likely make an impact next season.

CBJackets · Guru

And what about the SP/SK of some players who might be off?