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Waivers/Waiver Draft


A very common question I have been getting, he's a pretty detailed look at it. I will use my own players for the purpose of examples.

Q - How does the new waiver systems work? What is the waiver draft?

OK, the way the new waiver system is going to work is as followed.
1 - Players 24 and over must clear waivers before going to the farm
2 - Players 23 and under can go up and down as you please, ONLY if they played at least 5 regular season games outside of the NHL last year. (So NCAA-AHL-Junior etc)

Lets say I have Sam Gagner who I want to send to the minors. He's under 23, but he didn't play at least 5 games outside the NHL last season, so he CANNOT be demoted.

Lets say I want to send down Jack Hillen, he is 23 and under so he passes that test, He played 33 AHL games last season so he passes that test. So Hillen can go up and down as I please.

Lets say I want to send Fredrick Norrena to the minors, he played 5 games outside teh NHL (in the KHL). But he is 24 and over, so he would have to clear.

Lets say I want to send down Jed Ortmeyer, he didn't play a game in the NHL last season, but is 24 or older so he too must clear waivers.

Once we start the preseason, we will basically call every single player up to your pro rosters (like a training camp). You can demote guys as you wish BUT, if you send a guy down that would have to clear, he will be exposed to waivers for 48 hours.

At the end of preseason, we will do a mass waiver draft, were you can only protect 20 skaters and 3 goalies. Players 23 and younger do not need protected. Anyone you expose and who clears can then go up and down freely, up until they play 10 pro games.

If afterwards, you want to send someone down that you claim in the waiver draft, OR who was protected, they still have to clear waivers. the most basic rule of this system is that NO PLAYER 24 OR OLDER CAN GO TO THE MINORS WITHOUT CLEARING WAIVERS AT LEAST ONCE.

To monitor this, we will be placing 1 way contracts on all the players who you protect in the waiver draft. When they get demoted even if we miss it at the time. they will show up as a 1 way contract in the minors, and will be immediately exposed to waivers for 48 hours. Once they clear waivers, we will take the one way contract off.

As stated earlier, once a player has cleared waivers, they can move up and down freely until they play 10 pro games, at which time, they again would have to clear before going down.

If you demote a player making more than 1.5 million, and they clear, they can continue to go up and down like a regular player on waivers, but they will have a 1.5 million cap hit regardless of where they play.

The wiaver draft will be 3 rounds long. It is recommended if you are worried about losing a player to expose them there, as there will be more players, and less likely a chance they get nabbed.


Any questions? Examples? Specific cases you want answered? Let me know here.


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Honestly, the waivers system seems overkill, with in-season waivers AND the waiver draft.... but whatever, I understand the reasoning...

One question, is there a limit to how many players a team can loose in the waiver draft?  In the NHL when they used to have a waiver draft I think there was a limit to how many players a team could use ... 3 or something...

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we haven't set a limit, but I'm willing to appease the masses.

The purpose for the waiver draft is to thoerhetically make sure NHl caliber players are in the NHL, and teams cant stash NHlers in the minors. Just like the NHL where Kyle Quincey can be a waiver pickup.

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I assume if a team takes a player, they are required to expose someone if they are already at their limit (e.g. 20 players and 3 goalies)?

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correct

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I think there is a problem... correct me if I am wrong...

So this offseason we've all had a bunch of guys created off our prospect lists in order to fill out our farm rosters.  However, now with the waivers system we may be forced to leave these players exposed during the waiver draft and will risk losing them.  Somehow that does not seem right.

Thoughts?

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Steve,

Having been in league's with waiver drafts before, it doesn't really work like that. 

It's highly unlikely that someone will take my exposed Chaz Johnson, because that team will then have to expose one of their top 20 players.

It's a great idea.



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We'll see

I just don't understand why we're doing this it's not like the NHL at all.

In the NHL you have career AHLers.  These guys are well over 24 years old, but they don't have to pass through waivers every year... its weird...

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Also,

I have guys like Kurtis Foster and Brian Pothier on my roster, who are valuable players but were injured all year.  Because of their injuries they got ****ty rerates, so I've made some moves and filled those holes for this season with the intention of having these guys in the AHL all year and then getting them back next year.

Now I have to expose them to waivers.

By being proactive and filling these positions early I am now stuck in a bind.

Maybe we can make exceptions for guys who were injured for significant portions of the year...

Steve

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ALSO,

Guys who did not play in the NHL at all last year (say, just AHL) should not have to be protected...

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if they are 24 and older in the NHL they still have to clear waivers even if they have never played an NHL game. Like how the Oilers claimed Steve MacIntyre off of waivers from Florida last season. So if their NHl rights are owned, they DO have to clear waivers every season.

Also (and this isn't directed at you Steve) The fact we were having a waiver draft, and its basical parameters were known and posted back in January http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=85830&p=3&topicID=24462559
And it's still 2+ months from the start of the season so there is LOTS of times for guys to make adjustments

-- Edited by BryceBruins on Thursday 25th of June 2009 04:16:17 PM

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I agree there is a degree of poor planning on my part.

But honestly, I never expected to have to protect guys who were hurt essentially all year or who didn't play in the NHL last year...



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BryceBruins wrote:
If you demote a player making more than 1.5 million, and they clear, they can continue to go up and down like a regular player on waivers, but they will have a 1.5 million cap hit regardless of where they play.

i've got a problem with this, i traded for garon knowing that he'll be bad for this year, but every talk i heard concerning overpaid players was that they would receive their full salary regardless of playing on the pro or the farm but would not be an impact on the cap...

Even in the rules
5.    Players with a contract of 1.5 million or more may go to the farm, but they MUST clear waivers first. Even if they go the minors, their full salary will be paid. However, during the UFA period, they must be in the pros so their salary is reflected there.

Nothing about a cap hit, so why is it suddenly now part of the waiver draft?

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Steve makes a good point here with injured players. They didn't play all year for their team, and normally we could make them no play for our team but under this system they just sit with poor ratings.

PhoenixGM wrote:

Also,

I have guys like Kurtis Foster and Brian Pothier on my roster, who are valuable players but were injured all year.  Because of their injuries they got ****ty rerates, so I've made some moves and filled those holes for this season with the intention of having these guys in the AHL all year and then getting them back next year.

Now I have to expose them to waivers.

By being proactive and filling these positions early I am now stuck in a bind.

Maybe we can make exceptions for guys who were injured for significant portions of the year...

Steve




 



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BluesGM wrote:

BryceBruins wrote:
If you demote a player making more than 1.5 million, and they clear, they can continue to go up and down like a regular player on waivers, but they will have a 1.5 million cap hit regardless of where they play.

i've got a problem with this, i traded for garon knowing that he'll be bad for this year, but every talk i heard concerning overpaid players was that they would receive their full salary regardless of playing on the pro or the farm but would not be an impact on the cap...

Even in the rules
5.    Players with a contract of 1.5 million or more may go to the farm, but they MUST clear waivers first. Even if they go the minors, their full salary will be paid. However, during the UFA period, they must be in the pros so their salary is reflected there.

Nothing about a cap hit, so why is it suddenly now part of the waiver draft?

I actually worded that wrong, that makes tracking a pain for us, I meant to say that their salary will be paid, NOT that their cap hit will stay.

 



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