Top 50 BRHL prospects

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Top 50 BRHL prospects

Sabres · Guru

IS this final? i thought it came out march 13th.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

I got the issue mid-week, this is OFFICIAL

Obviously guys liek Eric Johnson were in ther,e but as they aren't in the BRHL, this is your top 50 for the year.

Bryce

Hawks_G · Guru

I still strongly protest the process of paying out for Top 50 prospects.

There are players that will be on the THN this year, undrafted in the BRHL2 and graduate before being on the next THN Top 50 list.

The two ways I suggested would all give a possible solution.

1. Payout determined after we have our 2006 draft.
2. Change it so that we draft concurrent with the NHL.

To me, you can't pay out on a current list and draft a year behind the NHL.

VanIslander · Guru

I love the fact that we don't know who will be on the list until after we've done our drafts and trades. I traded to get Russell, Hanzal, Yandle, Neal because they were guys who've developed nicely and i thought had a crack at the big league. My team's prospect list philosophy. I had no idea they'd make it onto top-50 lists. That's a good thing. It would really suck if we could just look at a pre-existing top-50 list and draft and make trades to stockpile those players with an absolute 100% guarantee of cash payout on them. Uggh. Instead, just like with award categories, there's no assurances! One career-ending injury and the leading Hart candidate at the trading deadline is done and out of the race, same with leading prospects. And of course most of the list is a bit of a surprise given how many prospects are out there and their up-down development curve. I picked up Nokalainen, Dawes, Dubinsky, Volkov, Sawada and some Russians all of these of whom have pretty high end potential but have had developmental delays or else loss of profile (Russians still in Russia).

Sabres · Guru

I sort of agree with CHI on this issue. It just doesnt make sense. The payout should be based on last years list at this time or something. But at the same time then, like VanIslanders says, we'd know who will make us money. Im not sure how we can address both these "problems" but for this year the system we have is what we should go with, but now would be the time to make a change for next season.

VanIslander · Guru

Congratulations to the Buffalo Sabres and New York Rangers, bottomdwellers at the moment in their conference but with a bright future not far away.

The Sabres especially have three in the top-15 and nine overall: Carey Price, Kris Letang, Benoit Pouliot, with some of my favorite prospects in Patrick O'Sullivan and Devin Setoguchi, and guys I've never been high on in Jakub Kindl, Josh Harding, Niklas Bergfors, Brian Lee.

The Rangers are no surprise either with their youth movement in trades, but one never knows for certain, and the organization's five players from the list are all toward the end, starting with #25 Matt Lashoff, with Matt Pouliot, Mark Stewart, Noah Welch, all generating buzz over the last year and almost-forgotten Al Montoya in the stable and developing alright.

The teams with the next most prospects from the list are also not playoff bound, at least not guarranteed. The Colorado Avalanche and Detroit Red Wings are battling it out for one of the last couple of playoff spots in the West, and the New York Islanders definitely aren't playoff bound.

Colorado doesn't have a huge stockpile of prospects but they do have quality. Malkin will likely soon be joined by some true prospects: Bobby Ryan, Steve Downie, Blake Wheeler, and the player my team still covets: Marek Schwartz.

Detroit would win an award for the funniest named top end prospects: TJ Oshie, Justin Pogge, Andrew Cogliano, Ondrej Pavelic.

All these prospects are still prospects of course, as none on the top-50 are a guarrantee. But they are mighty fine prospects and it'll be interesting to follow their progress as prospects, one of the joys that exists for - as you notice - teams that are not top contenders this season.

-- Edited by VanIslander at 20:24, 2007-03-10

Hawks_G · Guru

Sabres wrote:

I sort of agree with CHI on this issue. It just doesnt make sense. The payout should be based on last years list at this time or something. But at the same time then, like VanIslanders says, we'd know who will make us money. Im not sure how we can address both these "problems" but for this year the system we have is what we should go with, but now would be the time to make a change for next season.

That brings up the third way to do this properly...

It would also make sense to pay based on last year's list because we are drafting a year behind the NHL. Any one of the solutions make far more sense than what we are actually doing.

Philippe27 · Guru

I think it's fine the way it is although it is dumb that Jaroslav Halak isn't on the list

Sabres · Guru

Philippe27 wrote:

I think it's fine the way it is although it is dumb that Jaroslav Halak isn't on the list

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapp

VanIslander · Guru

We reward the investment in REAL prospects... not the trading and drafting for guys on a pre-existing list

uh, gee I'll trade for #24 on the list and guarantee myself real cash at the end of the year because this guy was on last year's list of prospects... mkaes no sense

Reward those who invest in NHL prospects... don't give money for the Malkins and Stasnys... they'll get their pay later.

George live with the decision.... matt didn't know how to live with a decision he disagreed with, i have learned how to live with decisions I disagreed with, ... now it's your turn!

Philippe27 · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

We reward the investment in REAL prospects... not the trading and drafting for guys on a pre-existing list

uh, gee I'll trade for #24 on the list and guarantee myself real cash at the end of the year because this guy was on last year's list of prospects... mkaes no sense

Reward those who invest in NHL prospects... don't give money for the Malkins and Stasnys... they'll get their pay later.

George live with the decision.... matt didn't know how to live with a decision he disagreed with, i have learned how to live with decisions I disagreed with, ... now it's your turn!

Also how many prospects really graduate right after being drafted? 2 or 3 every year? Is it worth changing the whole system for like 10 bucks. I think if your guy graduate like Malkin there is a big enough reward already so who really care about the $3.75 that you're missing it out on.

Hawks_G · Guru

VanIslander wrote:

We reward the investment in REAL prospects... not the trading and drafting for guys on a pre-existing list

uh, gee I'll trade for #24 on the list and guarantee myself real cash at the end of the year because this guy was on last year's list of prospects... mkaes no sense

Reward those who invest in NHL prospects... don't give money for the Malkins and Stasnys... they'll get their pay later.

George live with the decision.... matt didn't know how to live with a decision he disagreed with, i have learned how to live with decisions I disagreed with, ... now it's your turn!

There is disagreeing with a decision that makes sense, and disagreeing with a decision that make zero sense. The chronology of how this is paid out make zero sense. (And I have yet to see any decent explanation as to why we have to do it the way we are doing it.)

Here are all the issues.

1. We draft a year behind the NHL.
2. We pay the top 50 on a current list.
3. The way the payout is, it rewards guys that have prospects that aren't that good and some will never make the NHL. (See Ari Ahonen)

I just don't understand how you can pay on the Top 50 prospects when some of them aren't in the league yet....and some will even be in the NHL before the next list comes out.

And...it isn't selfish on my part, I don't care if it changes now or in the future, whether we draft at the same time as the NHL to be current or pay out the Top 50 after the draft....really, I don't care, but as far as things not making sense....this is it.

-- Edited by Hawks_G at 10:43, 2007-03-12

VanIslander · Guru

Hawks_G wrote:

I just don't understand how you can pay on the Top 50 prospects when some of them aren't in the league yet....

Exactly!! They are truly prospects.

The rated players are a year behind the NHL and the prospects are true prospects which means prospects in the NHL now.

VanIslander · Guru

Is it better to

(a) know exactly which players will reward your team with a $cash$ payout over half a year before the payouts are made, and being able to trade away to get the cash.

or

(b) draft and trade for guys you think will be good prospects, some of whom will develop into good prospects, some of whom won't. The list at the end of the year, when payouts are made, is just a snapshot in time, but it is a snapshot of trule prospects NOW, of developing prospects that rewards g.m.s for investing in the future, not in NHL rookies, but in prospects that are developing.

One option makes g.m.s follow development over the course of the year, and make trades to acquire good developing prospects (b)... while another option simply requires one to crossreference a pre-existing list with trade negotiations to acquire them (a).

George, there have been decisions in this league which have made "no sense" to Matt and to I. but if we - and you - take a moment to see that there are reasons - even if you don't personally think they are good ones - then it'll be more palatable to accept things for the way they are.