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VanIslander


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The article on the goaltenders is extensive but with thirty teams covered it could be excused for overlooking the prospects of a team or two.

There's no way the Isles are 24th among "A long term look between the pipes"

"#24 NYI – Norrena is a 32 year old rookie, who will be a good backup next year, but he’ll be starting behind a weak Isles team and likely get shellacked. Shaefer and Ramo are great AHL goalies who possibly just need a shot in the NHL, when that will come is unknown. Dubnyk provides good depth for the future in net, but a number 1 is needed."


Norrena will be a good backup and a starter will indeed be sought through UFA or trade, as I've indicated on the boards. Schaefer and Ramo are indeed on the cusp, Dubnyk a step behind in development but with potential, true.

But the article overlooks some of the very best prospect goaltenders in the Islanders system.


Tobias Stephan, the highest-drafted Swiss player ever went early second round to Dallas 34th overall and has drawn praises in the organization often since then, battled for the backup job last fall, and those at HFBoards who went to training camp said he was the most impressive, but management decided the 22-year-old European should play in the AHL this season, where he's .903 % and 2.75 with a 9-12 record. Expected to surpass Swiss NHLers Aebischer and Gerber some day. Goaltending coach Andy Moog discusses Tobias Stephan's potential: "Tobias was very impressive in the games that I saw him play and he has all the tools to be an outstanding NHL goaltender. He's extremely quick and has outstanding size and instincts."


Konstantin Barulin, the 3rd round Blues prospect has skyrocketed since being drafted, winning gold at the University Games and backstopping last season the Moscow Spartak in 36 games as the starter with a phenomenal 2.14 and .915, several times player of the week, and this year, now, is the starting goaltender for the Russian national team on its EuroTour this winter and the 22 year old is expected to be a candidate for the Russian squad at the 2007 and 2008 World Championships (until Nabokov or Khabibulin's NHL teams are bounced early in the playoffs)..
http://www.russianprospects.com/public/article.php?article_id=508&PHPSESSID=3ed1fb429c452524748016d414daeca8


Vasily Koshechkin was the Russian national team's starting goalie at age 23 but the 6'6 passed up this winter's opportunity for the EuroTour because of a heavy workload with his Russian league team, HC Lada. He has been an eurohockey.net player of the month before and is expected to compete with Barulin to be on the Russian national team for the world championships. Koshechkin is one of the top Russian goaltending prospects according to Hockey's Future:
http://hockeysfuture.com/prospects/vasily_koshechkin


Alexandre Vincent is considered by Hockey's Future as "a potential starting goalie" as the 6'4 Chicoutimi starter was a defensive player of the month in the Q and became a 4th round Canucks pick and is now presently in the top-10 of Vancouver prospects according to HF. He made his professional debut at the end of January 2007 for the ECHL Victoria Salmon Kings, and the very young 20 year old was star of the game in the win. He's a few years away and not a sure thing but has a high upside potential.

Jason Smith is a 6th round Devils pick who has developed excellently since then, last season going 18-11 with a .927 and first team all-star conference in the NCAA. This year the 6'3 senior is leading his team to the top of the Atlantic conference, with a high profile win over Cornell last month, after having been goaltender of the week to begin 2007 with only a goal given up in each of three starts and a 48 saves on 50 shot effort in the fourth game of that week. He has a 2.84 goals against average and a .908 save percentage in 1396 minutes played (over 20 games in all, but they don't list stats that way for some reason).

Dan Turple is a 6th round Thrashers draft pick who has done well working himself up to second on the depth chart among Atlanta goalie prospects after a 40-win .924% 7 shutout OHL season. The 6'5 21 year old is doing well getting his starts int he ECHL with a 14-9 record.

Daniel Taylor is a rare Brit drafted and now signed by the Kings. Hockey's Future calls him a "diamond" who was very successful in junior hockey last season and was deemed likely to see AHL time for a while because Munce and Fukufuji are ahead of the 20 year old in development time. However, Taylor is struggling this season in the ECHL and is a long shot among goalie prospects in the organization.

The Islanders have 10 prospect goaltenders in the system, almost all having success in their development, boding well for a couple of them to make the jump. And, in fact, a handful of potential NHL starters in the bunch. Any look at "long term between the pipes" would be remiss to overlook several of these prospects.



-- Edited by VanIslander at 23:17, 2007-02-23

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The part I don't get is Colorado at #3 with Kolzig, Budaj and Theodore

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The part I don't get is Colorado at #3 with Kolzig, Budaj and Theodore

Avs have an injury-prone and development-stunted Brian Finley and late-rounder Rejean Beauchemin has been so awful in the AHL this season he had to be sent to the ECHL, not for development purposes but as a demotion as he blew his starter chance. Could bounce back. Same with Yutaka Fukufuji, who got three NHL losses and equally bad AHL play this season but who could rebound or prove to be a PR trick to encourage more of the many Asians in Southern Cal to pay attention to the Kings.  

But Colorado does have the rights to Marek Schwartz of Sparta Praha whom I've tried to get via trade to no avail. And Matt Zaba is doing almost as well in the NCAA as my Isles Smith is doing, minus the awards.   And Tyler Weiman is a solid sophomore in the AHL who has always played well and could surprise, an under the radar type who is appreciated but not touted.

-- Edited by VanIslander at 23:34, 2007-02-23

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VanIslander wrote:

Philippe27 wrote:

The part I don't get is Colorado at #3 with Kolzig, Budaj and Theodore

Avs have an injury-prone and development-stunted Brian Finley and late-rounder Rejean Beauchemin has been so awful in the AHL this season he had to be sent to the ECHL, not for development purposes but as a demotion as he blew his starter chance. Could bounce back. Same with Yutaka Fukufuji, who got three NHL losses and equally bad AHL play this season but who could rebound or prove to be a PR trick to encourage more of the many Asians in Southern Cal to pay attention to the Kings.

But Colorado does have the rights to Marek Schwartz of Sparta Praha whom I've tried to get via trade to no avail. And Matt Zaba is doing almost as well in the NCAA as my Isles Smith is doing, minus the awards. And Tyler Weiman is a solid sophomore in the AHL who has always played well and could surprise, an under the radar type who is appreciated but not touted.

-- Edited by VanIslander at 23:34, 2007-02-23
I think by longterm he meant 2-3 years, not 5-10

 



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Philippe27 wrote:
I think by longterm he meant 2-3 years

That's called 'the medium term'.

The article should be titled 'A short term look between the pipes, with a glance at the medium term of some teams'




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jw who cares what hockeys future says?????????

do any g.ms in this league read that **** and take it as solid info?

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Yeah, hockeysfuture is pretty rough...  it is a rare day when they are right about a guy!  If you don't believe it, save all of their pages right now and check em in 5 years...

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WildJamie wrote:

Yeah, hockeysfuture is pretty rough... it is a rare day when they are right about a guy! If you don't believe it, save all of their pages right now and check em in 5 years...

I'm by no means some huge fan of hockeysfuture, but go ahead and save ANY prospect site/report/whatever and look at it 5 years from now.  You'll see the same thing.  A hell of a lot of wrong projections relative to the number of right ones. 

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True enough.  I do find hockeysfuture to often be worse than most.
Overall though, I do find it quite interesting when people line their prospects up and talk as if they are sure things (not the case with this thread, but definently the case with other threads - ie. how many world junior players... who cares, look at past world junior rosters and see how that worked out).

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I agree. So many draft picks don't pan out, largely because they are drafted TOO EARLY in their development, a fact pointed out by those who think players should be older before they're drafted.

My Isles are not building through the draft. No teenagers thanks. Instead, players who have developed in the years since being drafted, especially those who are doing well in the last year and a half and are under contract, or have been offered a contract.

THose g.m.s who have decided to load up on draft picks rather than developed talent under contract... well,... good luck... half of first rounders won't even be offered a two-way NHL contract someday. let alone stick with the parent club. You better have an above average scouting department. Way above.

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HOTLANTA wrote:

jw who cares what hockeys future says?????????

do any g.ms in this league read that **** and take it as solid info?

Says the guy who pumps Kyle Chipchura.  Whose info do you go by?  The voices in your head?



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WildJamie wrote:

Yeah, hockeysfuture is pretty rough... it is a rare day when they are right about a guy! If you don't believe it, save all of their pages right now and check em in 5 years...

 Actually it depends on the writer....if you know the better writers, you get the best information.  Just like anything.  If you read both Spectors and Eklund for rumours, I wouldn't have to tell you which is the site most likely to have the correct info.



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i pump chipchura because im still haunted by the goal light he burnt me with

-- Edited by HOTLANTA at 22:53, 2007-02-26

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