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Pretty amazing that the only deal Phoenix makes all year ends up in a cap violation. I think it's sort of sweet sim justice, as to my knowledge no one had heard from Phoenix and certainly hadn't seen him on the boards all year. The thing is a player could easily have been sent down without even being put on waivers, however I guess since it was the club's first deal they assumed that trades would have been put through after the sim.

Sucks to lose what would have been a great challenge for my team in the playoffs. Will also be interested to see what the club does now. Doug Weight's value just went up a bit.

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One word:
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP

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Phoenix was consistently good all season

and Sundin was part of their equally productive top-6

the team still has PLENTY of power to compete

but it'll now take some luck to advance past the second round

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True, PHO hasn't even authorized me on ICQ yet.

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Philippe27 wrote:

One word:
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP



 



BLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

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First off, I am speaking for myself and only myself, not my co-gms.  They may or may not share the same feelings, but I feel the need to post this.  And hey, now you can say that we're active because we now have our 7th post on this board!  We have now hopefully met the quota for some gm's to feel warm and fuzzy inside, although it's our $50 that we submitted, not yours.

Wow, some of you are hilarious.

I'm sorry I am not on ICQ....I do not access it from work, and I'm not about to live on the computer when I get home. 

As for participating, until you have some evidence of this, keep it to yourself.  We send in lines when we need to, and guess what, it is working.  We do not feel the need to post who is available for trade, or what we're looking for.  If we are interested in something, we WILL EMAIL YOU.  It's my preference these days.  I learned in other leagues that if you start posting so and so is available posts, you get some REAL WINNING trade offers.  The way we work things is we look at what we need, we'll see who has it, and we'll contact them with an offer.  I am not saying this is the only way, the right way, or the way you should do it, but it is OUR WAY.  Some of you prefer these pm's (which I never check), some use ICQ, I USE EMAIL.  Don't push YOUR preference on me.  We went into the draft with a plan, and it has come to fruition.  We are fighting for 1st overall.  For you people that live in this fantasy gm mentality, don't try to push your thoughts of what i should do on me.   Dont tell me i shouldnt join a fantasy league if i dont have time.  Like I said, why fix a team if it ain't broke???  If I am paying $50 to be in something, don't tell me how the hell to do things.  Some people have more time than others, but sorry, I cannot stay online all day. 

We reply to EVERY SINGLE TRADE, regardless of how ridiculous they are.  You know, those ones stating the obvious, that some of our better players are UFA's next year so we should trade them for that 4th liner that has as much skill as Donald Brashear when he's not making a fool of himself.  Yeah, we reply to those ones.  We are well aware of our situation, and we went into this with one goal, to win.  Not to post messages on a board, not to check message board pm's (i do not check the board every day, sorry to disappoint some of you).  Also, we do not feel this need to trade just because we are in a fantasy league.  Some people believe that you must make a deal a week, and make trade for the pure hell of it.  Well, again I will point out that we are battling for first without making one trade.  If this means that we are inactive, then so be it.  We do not feel the need to send lines in daily either, unless it is called for.  If THIS makes us inactive, then again so be it.  That says something about everyone else's team if an inactive team is outplaying the "active" ones.  But the fact is we are active enough to run a team, and do it our way.  I don't have the "veteran" beside my message board name, and this does not cause me to lose sleep.  I'm actually quite happy that 7 posts later, and we're still in a dogfight for 1st overall.

As far as this Sundin thing goes, I will refrain from commenting on this.  There are rules, and then there are rules.  This goes beyond anything I've paid $50 for.  Speaking of which, when something of this magnitude (taking away our #1 forward happens) I'd at the very least expect an email, considering I did pay $50.  It's like my wife leaving me without my knowledge, and then posting this on the front page of the local paper: "Nick, I've left you, be out of the house by Wednesday at noon"  I guess this was to be expected with having such a good team...one wrong move, and it'll be jumped on with irreperable consequences.  Goes to say something about the reputation of some people.  I've seen some trades that have gone through as well (again, sorry for not posting on the message board commenting on them), fishy.  Save yourself from replying to me with your "he's an angel" emails/posts.

And by the way, why not give a one day reprieve to people who go over or below the salary cap/floor?  Of course the commish will never encounter this, because until he sims, he can get a "live real time" update on his situation.  If someone is over the cap for 2, 3 or more games, then obviously they are not paying attention.  I know for a fact that myself and the co gms checked the site all weekend for the rosters to be updated with the trade.  Again, my sincere f***ing apologies for not having a dedicated server to this cause.  I also love the lack of explanation to a question we posed.  I too can quote the rulebook. 

Love Always, Nick (not the other 2...I wouldn't put that stupid 99 Coyotes at the bottom...I'd much prefer 66 Penguins, but that's another bone to pick for another day)

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Can someone explain to me how we are to make a roster adjustment when the league files were not updated all week-end long and never were until the sim was complete.



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PHO wrote:

 We do not feel the need to send lines in daily either, unless it is called for.  If THIS makes us inactive, then again so be it. 

I wish this league were like some others: must send in new lines regularly or at least to cover for injuries and suspensions! That's a minumim I'd think. But this league doesn't require that. Your participation has not been in violation of the expectations of this league's rules.

What you have violated are the clear, hard and firm rule not to exceed the salary cap for even a single game. The Blues lost Jaromir Jagr in a nanosecond at the start of the season because of the cap violation.  That was more devastating to that organization than any player to any other. And us g.m.s learned our lesson and didn't play games over cap since.

Phoenix is in a very tight race for the best playoff positioning, not to mention real cash for the President's trophy and for the other conference winner. Winning a game over cap as Phoenix just did is unfair and hence why the rules are clear about "at all costs" staying under the cap for games played.

Own up to your responsibility. And don't make excuses. Yes, there are side issues, but they are beside the point when it comes to the enforcement of the rules, which is clear. Giving each g.m. the ability to play a game overcap might be a rule change we want, but I doubt it. Only in a couple of isolated instances have teams played over cap and they have paid the price for it. No need to adjust that rule. When making a trade, a g.m. is to do the math and know what's what.





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One reason we shouldn't let g.m.s be even one game over cap without penalty: Phoenix just beat Detroit while overcap. If Detroit could have gotten even a tie (possible) then the Wings would be playoff position instead of in a three-way deadlock with Edmonton and Chicago with 66 points and under twenty games remaining. Likewise, a tie would have given Dallas a share of the divisional title (and coveted top-3 positioning with home ice advantage and avaioding playing one of the best teams in the conference in the first round) but instead Phoenix notched two points and sits a mere point ahead.

The rules are good as they are: Not a single game is to be played over cap and it's a g.m.'s responsibility to remain under the salary cap at all cost!



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I totally agree with you both.  No team should play over the cap, not even for one second of a game.  Our issue is that we never got confirmation from the league that the deal was confirmed and the league files and rosters were not updated prior to Sunday's sim.  I was told they were updated right before the sim.  How is that fair to us?  How are we supposed to know that the trade was accepted and approved.  We honestly assumed the deal did not go through for some reason and that it would get cleared up and we would have a chance to make changes to our line-up.  Our roster wasn't even changed to reflect that a deal was done for Brisebois!  How are we supposed to make the changes when we can't even see Brisebois on our roster?????

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Deals go through before the sim for the exact reason of watching out for the cap. It's not in the rules anywhere but it's pretty common knowledge. It IS unfortunate that it's not in the rules, but I can't speak to that. Sometimes the files get updated on the weekend and sometimes they don't, but it is a GM's responsibility to check whether they've been updated and act accordingly. All that was really needed was a message to Eric or an email saying to please send someone down if the team is over the cap or something to that effect. It seems really unfortunate and like a very honest mistake, and I'm sure it really sucks to lose your best player. But the exact same thing happened with St.Louis and it has happened countless times with other teams who somehow trade this player away or do this because they don't know the rules. I know this particular rule wasn't in the rulebook (trades processed before the sim) but I guess you got kind of unlucky by assuming.


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It cannot "not be a rule but be common knowledge".  Rules are rules and need to be clear.  We assumed the deal didn't go through because there was no evidence from the league that the deal did go through. 

It's Brisebois, do you think we really cared if we had to wait another sim before we got to use him?  If there was a hiccup and the league did not get our trade confirmation, then we would have dealt with it another day.  We were in no rush to get him on our roster.  We assumed that the deal did not go through and that it would get cleared up on the Monday.  plain and simple.

Let's assume this continues and the league files do not get updated.  What if there was an injury to one of our players?  Or what if our back-up goalie has to play in the final game to make sure he meets the minutes requirement?  Are we then supposed to e-mail our moves in because the league files are not updated?  IS this what we have to do from here on in?  Maybe something needs to be clarified within the rules because at the moment, it is so vague and there is no way of knowing what your roster position is. 



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You're right, as far as I can see there is nothing in the rules about trades being processed before the sim. And there obviously needs to be as it is an important part of cap management. Trades usually don't get confirmed by the league before being put through, it's generally assumed that when to parties send a deal in it will be processed during the next sim, so I can certainly see how you were wondering what was happening.

I think it's unfair that Sundin was taken away after looking at the discrepancies in the rules. It sounds to me like an honest mistake, and really not even a case of negligence.

Give Sundin Back!

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Well done CBJ.  Just like we rehearsed.  The money is in the mail.

We're just looking for a fair shake here.  It was impossible for us to know that the trade was confirmed and it's ridiculous to think that we are to assume that the league files will not be updated and that we would have to send in our lines via e-mail.  Where is the justice I ask you!

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PHO wrote:

Well done CBJ. Just like we rehearsed. The money is in the mail.

We're just looking for a fair shake here. It was impossible for us to know that the trade was confirmed and it's ridiculous to think that we are to assume that the league files will not be updated and that we would have to send in our lines via e-mail. Where is the justice I ask you!



As unfortunate as the situation is, I don't see any injustice as having been done here.  Trades aren't confirmed by the league as being processed, never have.  But everyone has been told, on more than one occasion, that if a trade is going to put you over the cap, it's your responsibility to either send in new lines before your game (if you have a day off), or along with the trade, send info about how you're getting under the cap ("please demote player x").  None of this is new...



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