LA Moves Gomez

LAKings · Senior Member

LA Moves Gomez

Sabres · Guru

If you actually knew how good Franson was you wouldnt be trading gomez. Hes not actually that good. His value is about like a guy like Kris Russel.

Gomez is now an elite player in this league. I dont even think Legwand is that good. Its unfortunate to see LA downgraded again. Things not looking good in hollywood.

Philippe27 · Guru

This season it seems that Legwand and Gomez are having similar years statswise but I think Gomez is a much better player, especially if he leaves New Jersey in the off-season.

BryceBruins · BRHL2 Co-Commish

Gomez - 0.02pk, 4.46pp, 9goals, 33 assists, .89ppg
Legwand - 2.18pk, 1.56pp, 19goals, 27 assists, .87ppg

Legwand obviously th emore well rounded of the two, Gomez will have a higher PA and PC but Legwand will have a better SC and DF, factor in age, their new contracts, and the fact the Kings picked up a good prospect (opinions varying as they do with ANY prospect). I think Ottawa wins this season, but next year it'll be in LA's favour.

Just because he doesn't have the rep of Gomez doesn't mean Legwand is any good, he's had a breakout year, but Ottawa needed the ratings now, while LA can wait, I think it's a great deal for boh teams.

-- Edited by BryceBruins at 11:28, 2007-02-10

LAKings · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

If you actually knew how good Franson was you wouldnt be trading gomez. Hes not actually that good. His value is about like a guy like Kris Russel.

Gomez is now an elite player in this league. I dont even think Legwand is that good. Its unfortunate to see LA downgraded again. Things not looking good in hollywood.

I've watched Franson about 15 times with the Giants this year so obviously I have a different opinion but you are welcome to yours.

I'm not sure how you can say things are getting worse in LA.

McCarty, Rathje, Thornton and Lapointe were dumped
Briere was turned into Gomez and Hartnell plus cash
Orpik and Ryder were turned into Ponikarovsky, Daley and a 1st round pick
and now Gomez has turned into Legwand and Franson

In my mind the overall status of the team has improved with more depth with Hartnell, Legwand, Ponikarovsky and Daley all ready to big contributors next year while also improving the future by adding a first round pick and not giving up any of the other 6 picks in the first 2 rounds LA has.

Sabres · Guru

I would say Legwand could definately be underrated, but stats arent everything. If you actually watch Gomez play, He has Superstar upside. And LA i know you got some things back but I just see this.

Briere--->Gomez---->Legwand

Its all preferance though.

Philippe27 · Guru

I think LA has made good trades. The way his team as setup he had one star in Briere and Ryder who is pretty good and all his depth players were old and expensive. I think I probably overpaid a little for Briere but Hartnell would have been my 3rd line RW next year so he was expendable but he added two top young guys who can play top line on his team.

LAKings · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

I would say Legwand could definately be underrated, but stats arent everything. If you actually watch Gomez play, He has Superstar upside. And LA i know you got some things back but I just see this.

Briere--->Gomez---->Legwand

Its all preferance though.

Well you have to put Hartnell in there as well as he came with Gomez.

What good does Briere do though if I've got to play him with the likes of Darren McCarty etc.. Yea I could keep Briere and try and snag a couple of free agents but that does nothing for the team. Its so hard to build a tem through free agency when you are low on funds. If it backfires you are back to where you started likely in a worse position.

Gotta build some depth first.

Sabres · Guru

LAKings wrote:

Sabres wrote:

I would say Legwand could definately be underrated, but stats arent everything. If you actually watch Gomez play, He has Superstar upside. And LA i know you got some things back but I just see this.

Briere--->Gomez---->Legwand

Its all preferance though.

What good does Briere do though if I've got to play him with the likes of Darren McCarty etc..

You'd be suprised. Not quite McCarty but i've seen "average" players light it up in sim league. Todd White is leading the league in another league that im in.

CBJackets · Guru

IMO Briere was moved way too quickly. Tampa Bay got a lot of other decent stuff with Briere as well. Backes is a very good prospect, Rob Niedermayer has some value and could have been turned into another asset, and a 3rd and 4th could have netted the Kings two decent prospects. Hartnell isn't that good but he's basically a more physical Ryder, who was dealt anyways. Briere is top 10 in scoring and if he had been shopped around I'm positive he would have garnered more. It seems like he was dealt for the first decent offer that came around.

The thing with Legwand is who knows if he's having a breakout season or a career season. Look at Sean Horcoff. He and Legwand are very similar players. Gomez is a proven bonafide first line centre. And when and if he gets out of New Jersey this summer, he's going to easily put up a PPG. Fransson is a good prospect, but with Nashville's depth on the blueline he's probably not going to crack the lineup for another 2-3 years. I don't think you can accept that type of player when you're dealing Gomez for Legwand. What if Legwand is back to a 50 point player next year, then you've got Legwand, Poni, and Hartnell, not a very scary top 3.

Neither deal is necessarily bad, but they aren't the type of deals a team with only a few prime assets needed to make. And they aren't the type of deals that you trade star forwards for.

Mccarty, Rathje, Lapointe etc were dumped for basically nothing. Sure they're bad contracts and taking up a lot of cap room and funds, but there would have been takers had they been actively shopped, fricken Petr Nedved and Jeremy Roenick got back decent assets. Yet they were given up for free.

The team has a ton of picks this year though which Bryce did a great job acquiring. It will be really tough to turn the franchise around but it's still possible. However in a situation like LA is in you need to drive up the price for every single asset and make sure you get every last penny you can in every deal you make.

-- Edited by CBJackets at 14:32, 2007-02-10

LAKings · Senior Member

Sabres wrote:

LAKings wrote:

Sabres wrote:

I would say Legwand could definately be underrated, but stats arent everything. If you actually watch Gomez play, He has Superstar upside. And LA i know you got some things back but I just see this.

Briere--->Gomez---->Legwand

Its all preferance though.

What good does Briere do though if I've got to play him with the likes of Darren McCarty etc..

You'd be suprised. Not quite McCarty but i've seen "average" players light it up in sim league. Todd White is leading the league in another league that im in.

Ok.. thats true... Briere could carry a line but who plays on my defense and my other 3 lines? See my point? Gotta build the supporting cast

Sabres · Guru

Other Sabres GM here:

I think Gomez is better than Briere, Briere is good offensively but hes a bit of a pansy in the rest of his game. Most Sabres fans dont even really think of him as their best offensive weapon. Alot prefer Afinogenov or Vanek. Briere is overrated now that he got the 5M award during his arbitration. For sure hes good but as if Gomez isnt better, Gomez has 2 cups a rookie of the year award, two 70 point seasons and one 84 point year. Briere has never had a 70 pt year, though of course hes on pace for over 90 this year. Though its funny how hes doing this right before its likely he signs a big contract. Dont expect him to stay at 90. Gomez is an 80-90 pt forward and doesnt take many years off. When his points dropped a few years ago it was because of a lessened role when NJ had mogilny and such along with elias and arnott etc...

Anyways, I think you shoulda stuck with Gomez Hartnell. Like my co-GM said, Franson is overrated. Hes been getting better but he makes alot of bone head errors in his own end. I dont even think Franson will be an NHLer, he might see a bit of time, but will burn out after like 30-80 games and people will realize he cant hack it. Just my opinion.

Either way depth is important for lower teams, I would deal my superstars for depth, but I think you didnt do a great great job of it. You got 2-3 more proven NHLers but not much upside to them. Legwand is dec but man, I think you coulda turned briere into hartnell and gomez and then went around and flipped gomez into 3 more good young players, prob two 2nd liners and a 3rd liner or so for gomez. You failed to do that.

CBJackets · Guru

I don't think anyone would debate that Gomez has had the better and overall more productive career, but Briere is the better player right now. I don't know what Sabres fans you've been talking to but Briere is ultra clutch and has been the team's MVP this season. Gomez is better defensively, but Briere is a much better goalscorer and arguably a better playmaker.

I think the success of the trades will depend a lot on Hartnell, who if he goes somewhere else and gets first line minutes with good players could put up a lot of points.

LAKings · Senior Member

You know its funny how everyone bashes me for apparently downgrading my team next year by dealing Gomez when Legwand is going to have better DF and far better SC ratings.. Is Legwand a fluke? I guess thats a good question.. I'm banking on him not being a fluke and continuing to put up numbers like this now that Nashville is one of the top teams in the league.

I'd also like to add how much I think a lot of you are overrating Gomez.. yea he has some good passing skills but hes got 1 season.. yes 1 season where he had a PPG. He scored 33 goals last year.. that seems to be a fluke as he is on pace for under 20 again which is the story of his entire career.

-- Edited by LAKings at 19:06, 2007-02-10

Sabres · Guru

LOL the story of his career? Gomez has probably been one of the best ppg players since the 03-04 all star game. He finished that year off with an insane run after the all star game where he was the guy who scored the most points in the entire NHL after the all star game. Then last year he had an unreal year and this year hes followed it up quite nicely. Thats like the last 150 games hes played the guy has gotten like 180 pts in. One fluke year? Hmmmm.